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    Senior Member VagrantFarce's Avatar
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    Default Don't underestimate the triads

    I know I did, for a long time - but they're an important part of helping to differentiate the types. I feel that a lot of people, when trying to identify their type, seem to be debating very inconsequential details, when the biggest differences aren't being discussed at all - and often stare them in the face.

    • There's a reason 5s, 6s and 7s are in the head triad - these people identify with their minds, in ways they may not be fully aware of. They "think" more than others, but it's done compulsively - they interact with the worlds from their minds. Their thoughts create so many possibilities that they may become overwhelmed with fear at times, unable to make confident decisions. They must learn, time and time again, how to take decisive action comfortably when overwhelmed with fear.

    • There's a reason that 2s, 3s and 4s are in the heart triad - these people identify with their hearts, much the same way that the previous types identify with their minds. This isn't just a figure of speech - their hearts are what guide them through life. They can become so reliant on emotional connection and the images they adopt that they can neglect everything else about life. They must learn to "take off" the mask when emotional distance is needed.

    • There's a reason 8s, 9s and 1s are in the body triad - these people identify with their bodies, and live through life from the gut. They compulsively identify with the physical presence in the world. They can become so comfortable in their bodies that they become "too" autonomous - like rocks embedded in a riverbed. In their stances 8s become too unstoppable, 9s too laid-back, 1s too rigid.

    I'd love to see more discussion in this regard - how the types reflect their triads.

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    Senior Member acronach's Avatar
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    Enneagram: Type 5, Dual Wing, SX/SP Instinct, Tritype 5-3w2-9w8

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    Introverted (I) 57.14% Extroverted (E) 42.86%
    Intuitive (N) 63.16% Sensing (S) 36.84%
    Thinking (T) 70.37% Feeling (F) 29.63%
    Perceiving (P) 56.61% Judging (J) 43.39%

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    Does this put me in the head triad?

    Because, I've been told by countless people in real life that I think too much. In fact, it really does get compulsive.

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    Senior Member Neutralpov's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by acronach View Post

    Those were good articles. Thanks, they help because I am a 1w2 NF and I someimtes feel off being a 1 ENFJ but the righteous anger stands out as very 1 everytime I read about it.
    Extroverted (E) 67.74% Introverted (I) 32.26%
    Intuitive (N) 51.72% Sensing (S) 48.28%
    Feeling (F) 51.61% Thinking (T) 48.39%
    Judging (J) 69.44% Perceiving (P) 30.56%

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    mod love baby... Lady_X's Avatar
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    Absolutely. I am 100% in my head. I reside in my thoughts and feel disconnected with my body. It's like this thing I have to lug around. It probably has a bit to do with where I stand in my spiritual beliefs actually because I don't feel like I am my body. I absolutely feel like the bit that is me will exist without my body. I don't feel centered or grounded. I feel buoyant and airy.
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    Dammit, now I wonder if I'm not a 5 after all.

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    I just came across this thread. As usual, @VagrantFarce lays out the most concise and insightful description possible . It's quite a gift actually.

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    I get what OP is saying, but it could potentially be misleading for a few types. For example, here's a bit of what RH say about 1s, from the Enneagram Institute website:

    Quote Originally Posted by RH
    Although Ones have a strong sense of purpose, they also typically feel that they have to justify their actions to themselves, and often to others as well. This orientation causes Ones to spend a lot of time thinking about the consequences of their actions, as well as about how to keep from acting contrary to their convictions. Because of this, Ones often persuade themselves that they are “head” types, rationalists who proceed only on logic and objective truth. But, the real picture is somewhat different: Ones are actually activists who are searching for an acceptable rationale for what they feel they must do. They are people of instinct and passion who use convictions and judgments to control and direct themselves and their actions.
    So it's giving an explanation for why 1 is in the body triad, but still saying 1s tend to see themselves as head types, and I'm sure there's somewhere else where they say 1s tend to identify with their minds. As another example, 9s our often out of touch with their instincts. Here's more RH on 9s, also from the Enneagram Institute website:

    Quote Originally Posted by RH
    Ironically, for a type so oriented to the spiritual world, Nine is the center of the Instinctive Center, and is the type that is potentially most grounded in the physical world and in their own bodies. The contradiction is resolved when we realize that Nines are either in touch with their instinctive qualities and have tremendous elemental power and personal magnetism, or they are cut off from their instinctual strengths and can be disengaged and remote, even lightweight.

    To compensate for being out of touch with their instinctual energies, Nines also retreat into their minds and their emotional fantasies. (This is why Nines can sometimes misidentify themselves as Fives and Sevens, “head types,” or as Twos and Fours, “feeling types.”)
    So like with 1s, they're giving a rationale for why 9 is in the body triad, but saying 9s aren't necessarily going to see themselves that way.

    There are more examples; I would guess there are a lot of 3s who wouldn't identify themselves as "heart types" because they would prefer to put their feelings aside and get the job done. I understand that the "emotional connection" part comes in with their image manipulation, but I'm commenting on how they would experience themselves. Also, 7s often enjoy sensory pleasures, and don't always spend much time thinking about the consequences of their actions, so I can see how a 7 could end up experiencing themselves as an "instinctive" type. And, I think it's very common for intuitives (especially if they're also introverts) to live in their heads. My point is, "head types identify with their minds, heart types identify with their hearts, body types identify with their bodies" fits nicely into the theory, but it's overly simplistic as a typing method.

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    Senior Member Alea_iacta_est's Avatar
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    Well shit, I'm apparently typed as a 1w9 and I definitely do not identify with my body at all. It looks like I might be a head type after all.

    Actually, just read @Octavarium's post, and I agree with 1s identifying as head types more than body types.

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    Senior Member Mal12345's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alea_iacta_est View Post
    Well shit, I'm apparently typed as a 1w9 and I definitely do not identify with my body at all. It looks like I might be a head type after all.
    You're not understanding the triads.

    What is your understanding of the relation of the various types in a triad to the triad itself?

    Edit - I see you edited your post. 1s are in their heads a lot.
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