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Hazashin

Secret Sex Freak
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my main desire isn't (usually) revenge (though it was when I was younger)
my main motivation is
- punish him so he won't do it to anyone else
- let him know that doing that to me is not to be tolerated
- the establishment of general boundaries to all watching

From my observations, people just usually react back in a very aggressive way. It's usually counterproductive. Discontent feeds discontent, which turns into enmity. It can be a vicious cycle if not kept an eye on.
 

Elfboy

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From my observations, people just usually react back in a very aggressive way. It's usually counterproductive. Discontent feeds discontent, which turns into enmity. It can be a vicious cycle if not kept an eye on.

not when I do it. it usually actually works pretty well if you don't do it out of anger :yes:
you have to be a firm, yet fair and impartial disciplinarian with those who cross your boundaries. I say this in the least condescending way possible, it's simple classical conditioning :yes:
 

Hazashin

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not when I do it. it usually actually works pretty well if you don't do it out of anger :yes:
you have to be a firm, yet fair and impartial disciplinarian with those who cross your boundaries. I say this in the least condescending way possible, it's simple classical conditioning :yes:

LOL, then I must know some crazy 8's then! Because if the other person isn't being angry, they are like, "Don't you DARE threaten me!"
 

Elfboy

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LOL, then I must know some crazy 8's then! Because if the other person isn't being angry, they are like, "Don't you DARE threaten me!"

those are aggressive, insecure, paranoid 8s that don't know how to communicate and haven't defined properly what they do/don't have control over. in most conversations, people are not "out to get you" like many unhealthy 8s believe. 85% of problems are caused by communication errors :yes:
 

Hazashin

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I'm very sorry for derailing this thread, S.I.... :sorry:

/shame
 

Hazashin

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Ivy, Patches, Jennifer, or some other administrator, I request that mine, Uwace's, Elboy's, and Thunderbringer's discussion on reaction to negative confrontation be moved to the 'Off Topic Posts' thread.

(I don't know if this will be heard though :laugh:)
 

Oaky

Travelling mind
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Savage Idealist

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4w3, 4w5
I've been considering this for my core type because well, everything mentioned in type 4's description just resonated with me. But the thing is I just don't integrate to 1; I don't get all objective and perfectionistic and principled. I have morals but they're very flexible. It's not like I go about adhering to rules, that's just too rigid -- I mean, that's just inefficient (that's type 3 for you there).

I can be melancholic and completely immersed in my fantasies and I identify with the defense mechanism of introjection. However that defense mechanism is not one I default to and I get angry with myself after wallowing in my own misery for a long time.

My head's like "DUDE DO SOMETHING".

I don't think that integration is all that whole; from my understanding, integrating into another type only means that one seems to be that type, but not completely. Like I for example can possess great moral fevor and desire for bettement, but I still lack the discipline and perfectionist tendencies of the 1 altogther.
 

Viridian

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From my Enneatype thread:

One (The Reformer)
Pro:
* I keep a tight rein on my temper
* I've been called a perfectionist, which sounds about right (afraid that getting a C in a college class might mean I'm a failure)
* I resent it when people don't follow some basic rules, like not running past yellow/red lights *cough*dad*cough*
* I was the "well-behaved kid" in my class, wanted no part in rule-breaking and rabble-rousing
Against:
* I'm not condemnatory (though a few people consider me critical), in fact I try my best to be tolerant
* I'm not exactly a hard-working ox; while I try to be responsible and helpful, I'm not quite as diligent as some people I know
* I'd feel very uncomfortable in a "mentor" or "teacher" position, which a lot of Ones seem comfortable with (I had a One math teacher once - the only teacher who wore a tie )
* "Certitude" isn't one of my strong points; I often question whether my own judgement is worthy

Two (The Helper)
Pro
* I try my best to help people and avoid being seen as selfish
* I'm a bit of a brown-noser (though a lot of the people I praise deserve the flattery, IMO)
* I'd hate to be seen as unkind
Against
* I don't sacrifice too much of my free time
* I seldom meddle (sometimes I'm all "not my business", unless they ask for my help)
* I usually dislike children (boy, they are LOUD)
* I do not assume a "caretaker" role spontaneously
* While I try to be friendly, it takes a while for me to show my affection in a non-stilted way

Three (The Achiever)
Pro
* I care quite a bit about how I'm perceived
* I'm pretty sensitive to humiliation
* I do my best to be diplomatic
* I often compare myself with others to see how I'm doing (if only to get some perspective)
Against
* I HATE the spotlight (though sometimes I display a bit of attention whoring - just ask Elfboy )
* I am not very ambitious (hate taking big risks professionally for fear of failure)
* I don't usually "know my audience", nor am I attuned to that particular aspect of interpersonal communication (I work better one-on-one)
* I define success as "avoiding failure" more often than as "getting to the top"

Four (The Individualist)
Pro
* I've experienced a lot of envy growing up (once my position as "the classroom smart guy" was usurped )
* The drama is my favorite film genre
* I often see beauty in melancholy and melancholic people
* I seek beauty in my theoretical explorations (boy, that sounded pretentious...)
Against
* I do not often feel "entitled" or "elite", and resent elitists
* While I "shimmer under the surface", I don't wish to express emotional intensity
* I don't naturally seek to express myself through art - in fact, I've been pressured to write more often...

Five (The Investigator)
Pro
* I'm a pretty solitary person; during vacations, I have little human contact
* I often fear being overwhelmed by the demands of the world
* I try to detach in order to subdue my distaste and anger (when present)
* I used to be known in school as "the shy, smart guy"
* My room is a bit of a "cocoon", where I explore the world (of fiction, more often than not) through books
* I often "absorb more than I give" intelectually, according to a close relative of mine
Against
* I don't have much of an interest in science or literary theory; many college texts zoom right past my brain, especially when they're about (dun dun DUN) semiotics
* I don't usually feel "intelectually superior" to my peers (though I think I might have in the past)

Six (The Loyalist)
Pro
* I'm a bit insecure, and enjoy it when people tell me "You're doing fine"
* I'm kind of neurotic, but it often concerns my shortcomings rather than worst-case scenarios
* I have a bit of fear of rejection, so I try to be friendly (sp-dom 6s do that, right?)
* I try not to call too much attention to myself
Against
* Unlike many Sixes, I'm not politically involved, though I do vote
* I don't seek groups or alliances - I have to be pushed to do so
* I don't often have "a nose for danger" (tend to be pretty trusting)
* I don't experience extremes of commitment or rebellion very often

Seven (The Enthusiast)
Pro
* When I meet people who enjoy my company and stimulate me (such as you guys ), I can get quite perky
Against
* I'm not impulsive, to the point where I usually miss opportunities
* I HATE HATE HATE parties
* I dislike taking risks of a physical or financial nature

Eight (The Challenger)
Pro
* I can sometimes be obstinate
Against
* I often draw boundaries between me and others, and try not to violate theirs
* I'm usually pretty compliant, not confrontational
* I have a bit of a hard time getting angry

Nine (The Peacemaker)
Pro
* I avoid conflict as much as I can
* I often try not to "dampen" the atmosphere, so I try to be nice to people
* I frequently go all "whatever you say, I got no idea"
* I avoid intellectual contentiousness
* Tolerance is a big value of mine
Against
* I'm usually a bit downcast on the inside (my 9w8 mom accused me of being "negative")
* I can't shrug off failure easily
* I like to have some order in my life
* I have difficulty creating inner peace
* I'm accused of being "too serious" by others
* As said above, I experience quite a lot of neurosis and self-doubt
* My mind is not usually "clear" or "fuzzy" so much as "filled with white noise made from fleeting thoughts"
* I often try to plan ahead ("Tiresias told them, but did they listen?")

(No wings here, sorry. :sorry:)
 
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