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    Nines and Fives are really different types- you could say they almost opposites in many ways. I tend to think you are a Nine. Here's why:

    Many Nines mistaken type themselves as Fives (particularly if they are well-educated and intelligent). Fives rarely think they are Nines though. Nines often have a hard time typing themselves because they see a little of themselves in every type- it's because they are always trying to be recpetive to other people, to the point that they identify more with others than themselves.

    Nines are easygoing, patient and accomodating. Fives are strong-minded and highly resistant to the influence of others. Nines like people and are trusting-sometimes too much so. Fives on the other hand, are suspicious of people and cynical.

    Nines typically do not concern themselves with details, and they aren't usually good at following up once they have acted. By contrast, Fives are highly focused- love details, losing themselves in research. By contrast, even brilliant Nines tend to have problems concentrating; they also tend to lose interest quickly and to allow their attention to drift off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rena View Post
    Nines and Fives are really different types- you could say they almost opposites in many ways. I tend to think you are a Nine. Here's why:

    Many Nines mistaken type themselves as Fives (particularly if they are well-educated and intelligent). Fives rarely think they are Nines though. Nines often have a hard time typing themselves because they see a little of themselves in every type- it's because they are always trying to be recpetive to other people, to the point that they identify more with others than themselves.

    Nines are easygoing, patient and accomodating. Fives are strong-minded and highly resistant to the influence of others. Nines like people and are trusting-sometimes too much so. Fives on the other hand, are suspicious of people and cynical.

    Nines typically do not concern themselves with details, and they aren't usually good at following up once they have acted. By contrast, Fives are highly focused- love details, losing themselves in research. By contrast, even brilliant Nines tend to have problems concentrating; they also tend to lose interest quickly and to allow their attention to drift off.
    The bolded is excellent. All in all great stuff. I may have to pick your brain for instinctual variant differences...



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    Re: 5vs9
    I had the opposite problem actually. I thought I was a 9 because I am really quite accommodating IRL, but some (knowledgeable) people helped me realize I identify more with the fears, priorities, attitudes etc. of a 5, and the 9ish tendencies are better explained by 'social instincts'.

    I don't think it is that uncommon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JocktheMotie View Post
    The bolded is excellent. All in all great stuff. I may have to pick your brain for instinctual variant differences...


    Quote Originally Posted by Blairvoyant View Post
    Re: 5vs9
    I had the opposite problem actually. I thought I was a 9 because I am really quite accommodating IRL, but some (knowledgeable) people helped me realize I identify more with the fears, priorities, attitudes etc. of a 5, and the 9ish tendencies are better explained by 'social instincts'.

    I don't think it is that uncommon.
    There is definitely no hard fast rules for typing- but in general, that is more unusual. Most Fives aren't very accomodating to the point Nines are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rena View Post
    Many Nines mistaken type themselves as Fives (particularly if they are well-educated and intelligent). Fives rarely think they are Nines though. Nines often have a hard time typing themselves because they see a little of themselves in every type- it's because they are always trying to be recpetive to other people, to the point that they identify more with others than themselves.

    Nines are easygoing, patient and accomodating. Fives are strong-minded and highly resistant to the influence of others. Nines like people and are trusting-sometimes too much so. Fives on the other hand, are suspicious of people and cynical.

    Nines typically do not concern themselves with details, and they aren't usually good at following up once they have acted. By contrast, Fives are highly focused- love details, losing themselves in research. By contrast, even brilliant Nines tend to have problems concentrating; they also tend to lose interest quickly and to allow their attention to drift off.
    I read this somewhere when I was trying to decide between a 9 and 5. My issue with this description was that I couldn't see myself in any other type other than 9 and 5. And it was a 60/40 split between 9 and 5. I'm somewhere in between the differences described above. Anyways, I do believe more 9s may think they're 5s than vice versa. What it came down to for me is that I'm more of an easy-going person than strong-minded, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rena View Post
    Nines typically do not concern themselves with details, and they aren't usually good at following up once they have acted. By contrast, Fives are highly focused- love details, losing themselves in research. By contrast, even brilliant Nines tend to have problems concentrating; they also tend to lose interest quickly and to allow their attention to drift off.
    You're describing Sluggish Cognitive Tempo. In SCT, there are neurological problems causing low energy, particular information processing problems and a tendency towards anxiety, especially social anxiety as a result of not being able to master situations and react to the unpredictable effectively. All of these things make them act a lot like how Nines normally act superficially, but they won't necessarily have the same Basic Fear of a Nine causing that behaviour, and neither will they think like a Nine unless they also happen to be one. In my experience they're actually very often Fives, because being incompetent tends to affect their early lives more than any other of the Fears, so they naturally come to fear that more than anything else and over-compensate in the ways characteristic of the Five, even if some of their behaviours are shared by Nines.

    I know a few classic Nines who agree with me that they're Nines, and they don't have low energy levels or significant concentration problems, they're just more laid-back than most because they prioritise keeping everything calm outside and inside themselves. They can develop somewhat low energy when under stress because they then have to devote a lot of mental energy to keeping both the outer and inner world calm, as is explained in the Wisdom of the Enneagram, but even then they're distinguishable from people with SCT.

    It's the Basic Fear you need to look at. Your Basic Fear is the one that the rest of your personality and behaviour seems to be arranged around the most even when things are going well for you. If you're being chased by a dog your primary fear and behaviour will be that of a Six, but it doesn't mean you're a Six. Any real problem that's pre-occupying you at the moment isn't representative of your true Basic Fear, even if it's an ongoing one like trying to get by with SCT. It's the underlying fear that influences your behaviour the most whenever you've nothing serious and pressing to worry about.

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    I used to think I was a 5, but I realized the core of what makes a 9 tick (keeping the peace) is what really drives me.

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