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    I was not sure whether to post this here or in 'general psychology', but since there possibly are some differences between certain enneagram types I decided to post it here.

    Ironically, I am making this thread because I feel like I have not been 'introspective' at all lately (making me doubt my enneagram type). Then I started to wonder what introspection even is and what it is to other people. First I'd like to ask what comes to your mind when you hear the word 'introspection'. What do you think about when someone asks you if you are introspective?

    I put these questions in a spoiler because they may influence the answer/thinking process of the previous question. (That's why it's important to think about that question before reading the following questions.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Schrödinger's Name View Post
    I was not sure whether to post this here or in 'general psychology', but since there possibly are some differences between certain enneagram types I decided to post it here.

    Ironically, I am making this thread because I feel like I have not been 'introspective' at all lately (making me doubt my enneagram type). Then I started to wonder what introspection even is and what it is to other people. First I'd like to ask what comes to your mind when you hear the word 'introspection'. What do you think about when someone asks you if you are introspective?
    Analyzing/thinking about/going over/ruminating on one's self, behaviors, emotions, thoughts, patterns, situations, habits, etc.

    I put these questions in a spoiler because they may influence the answer/thinking process of the previous question. (That's why it's important to think about that question before reading the following questions.)
    I do think the withdrawn types are more likely to spend a lot of time with this (4, 5, 9), along with those stronger in sx. Perhaps 1, in needing to keep congruent. Not to say the rest don't, of course, though some are more likely to avoid the introspection of negative (or positive) emotions about the self.
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    Even though I am an enneagram 1, I can be quite introspective. This could be due to my 5-fix in tritype.

    I'd say that 4 and 5 are the most introspective and 3 and 7 are the least introspective.
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    Introspection is associated with Fi, Ti, Si, and Ni. The most introspective people are those who lead with Fi/Ti and Si/Ni (in either order, but I'd imagine the Fi/Ti dominants to have a slightly better grasp on self than Ni/Si). No, not "looping", but "sleep processing". This means going over known information (Ni, Si) in relation to the self (Fi, Ti).

    Extroverts can also be fairly high in sleep processing, but not as a primary mode of operation like IxxP or IxxJ "jumper" types (what most call "looping").

    This is my shorter, impersonal answer. I'll still come back to answer the other questions, subjectively (I always say I'll do this and then never get around to it, but I really want to this time, so you can harass me if I don't).

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    How often do you do it? Daily? Weekly,..?

    Daily. It's weird knowing people don't do it daily...thanks withdrawn triad. I'm always thinking about like who I really am or what my feelings are, but some days it goes deeper than others.

    What causes you to introspect?

    It just happens?? It's how my brain works yo.

    Is it always a conscious process?

    Almost always, yes.

    Do you consciously decide to introspect?

    If there's something big on my brain, then yes, but generally it just happens without me having to decide.

    Is it something you do especially after something (emotional) happened?

    Oh definitely.

    Is introspection mostly about emotions?

    Sure, introspection helps sort out all thoughts but if there's less focus on emotions I think there is less clarity in the end.

    What kind of thoughts/feelings do you experience whilst introspecting? How do you end up feeling afterwards?

    I reflect on my past experiences a lot, what I cherish but also what I regret. My mind becomes like a TV show, where the people in my life become characters, or they're like my audience and I'm the star of the play. "And everything was like, and I was like." In my most introspective moments(the something big on the brain), it feels melancholic and yet simultaneously calming. It's like some sort of mind cleansing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Schrödinger's Name View Post
    First I'd like to ask what comes to your mind when you hear the word 'introspection'. What do you think about when someone asks you if you are introspective?
    Self-reflection. Thinking deeply about one's own thoughts, emotions, and behaviors.

    How often do you do it? Daily? Weekly...?
    I can't help but do it daily. I'm really self-centered and I can't help but think how pretty much any event I experience relates directly to me, how I deal with it, and how it affects me. I like to stay in tune with whatever I am thinking and feeling at most given times. Every night before I go to bed, I think introspect, it's a great (or maybe not so great, depending on how negative my introspection is) way to end the day.

    What causes you to introspect?
    Both big and small events. Basically anything can cause me to introspect.

    Is it always a conscious process?
    Not always. A lot of the time I can't help it. I just think about how things affect me and what I think of things.

    Do you consciously decide to introspect?
    Like I implied earlier, sometimes it's conscious, like when I do it at night. Other times, after I experience something, it happens unconsciously. Of course, right after the moment something happens, it won't be as developed as when I force myself to really think about something, but it is still introspection.

    Is it something you do especially after something (emotional) happened?
    Of course I have to do it whenever something big and emotional happens. I can't help but to take some time to process it and withdraw from the world.

    Is introspection mostly about emotions?
    About half emotions and half thoughts. I am definitely feelings-oriented but also interested in logic. It's important to think about the process between why I decide to do things or why they happen to me, not just how they make me feel.

    What kind of thoughts/feelings do you experience whilst introspecting? How do you end up feeling afterwards?
    Most of my introspection makes me feel more like shit because I don't perceive myself to make very good decisions a lot of the time... It can be quite uncomfortable to dig deeper into my negativity and why things are the way they are in my life. But sometimes I feel accomplished for figuring new things about myself. I don't ever really feel good about introspection, but it's definitely a valuable learning process that I do find crucial to do regularly.

    These questions are just a 'guideline' to provoke some thoughts. More questions/additional information would be great.
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    First I'd like to ask what comes to your mind when you hear the word 'introspection'.
    Knowing one's self and one's own inner workings- that describes it succinctly. People seem to define it as either a state or a process.

    What do you think about when someone asks you if you are introspective?
    I get confused. I usually am not quite sure what they are referring to or what they might mean, so I fail to answer.

    It's not an uncommon input from others that I am introspective, but it always surprises me, because it's not something I put conscious thought to (which to some is probably a point against introspection to begin with). I find that whatever people see as 'introspection' within me refers to my cautious and structured thinking when approaching matters- I think things through, and it's not common for anyone to catch me off-guard or to present me with things I hadn't thought of or somehow missed. I am not quite sure why or how that comes across as 'introspection' specifically instead of cautiousness and thoroughness, which would seem more accurate.

    An aspect of this that is surprisingly more minor and less common, is people referring to my knowing my own likes and dislikes as a sign of introspection. I suppose it would be, and is closer to the contemporary understanding and connotations of introspection than the above example.

    How often do you do it? Daily? Weekly,..? What causes you to introspect?
    I used to meditate more frequently. I tend to enjoy making quick decisions, and meditation is a compensatory period for that where I look at the things I've done and how things turned out, and if I had done what was in my opinion the best thing I could have done in those situations. It really does not happen that frequently- perhaps just once a month. It's a bit like an informal business meeting with just yourself where you assess the month's work and how things turned out. It needn't have had a catalyst, necessarily.

    Is it always a conscious process? Do you consciously decide to introspect?
    As with the above answer, yes.

    Is it something you do especially after something (emotional) happened?
    This is my blind spot. I tend to ignore the emotional aspects of anything, be it from myself or others.

    Is introspection mostly about emotions?
    As is evident with me, if what I do could be called introspection, no. This could also account for the confusion others seem to have when observing me- they call me introspective, but are surprised when they realize I am emotionally dense.

    What kind of thoughts/feelings do you experience whilst introspecting? How do you end up feeling afterwards?
    There is usually a sense of satisfaction, at times discovery. I do not do it for the emotion, but have discovered that it is grounding and has a calming effect. It is the sense of cleaning up a room and seeing everything where it belongs, and knowing I did things right.
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    First I'd like to ask what comes to your mind when you hear the word 'introspection'.
    A process by which one analyzes oneself in order to gain greater self-knowledge.

    What do you think about when someone asks you if you are introspective?
    If they don't know me well, I will think them rather nosy and wonder why they are asking. I do consider myself introspective, moreso than most I suspect.

    How often do you do it? Daily? Weekly,..? What causes you to introspect?
    There is a sense in which I have an almost constant undercurrent of introspection in my thought processes. By that I mean I am always evaluating what I am thinking, why and how I am thinking it, what it means for my priorities and values, etc. I will do it more deliberately and with more focus perhaps a couple times a month, more if I am facing difficult or important decisions, or if I have been bothered by something that I cannot wrap my head around properly.

    I, too, used to meditate regularly as one form of introspection. That was usually more open ended than the deliberate introspection I do now. I found it useful if only for helping me feel more grounded and relaxed, and should return to the practice.

    Is it always a conscious process? Do you consciously decide to introspect?
    See above. The constant background process is semi-conscious.

    Is it something you do especially after something (emotional) happened?
    I don't know. As I mentioned, the main catalyst is an important decision, or the sense that my thought processes on some important topic are muddled and need sorting out. I tend not to pay much attention to the emotional aspects of either, though I suppose some internal sense of worry, foreboding, or urgency might help to prompt it.

    Is introspection mostly about emotions?
    Perhaps for some people, but not for me. It is primarily a way to sort out my thinking and priorities, to resolve conflicts and inconsistencies, to get in touch with what is important to me and why, my own strengths and weaknesses and how best to manage them.

    What kind of thoughts/feelings do you experience whilst introspecting? How do you end up feeling afterwards?
    It can be a bit frustrating because it is often not itself a logical process, or at least deliberate logical processing goes only so far. I can follow trains of thought, check cause and effect relationships, and that is useful, but there is an element of it that simply requires the thoughts to align themselves and become clear. This looks like Ni connecting directly to Fi and spewing out some revised vision that can then be vetted by Te/Se for consistency with reality and workability.

    How I feel afterwards depends on how much progress I made. Sometimes, I don't feel like I learned much at all, and am left feeling frustrated, and knowing I will need to revisit the issue. If I do sort it out, I feel reassured and more confident and prepared.
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    Thanks @ everyone for the responses. Though I still have not found the answer/information I am looking for*... Reminds me of how frustrating it is that no one is ever able to experience life as someone else. We only have this sack of meat and then we die. Hmn.

    I'll read the answer again (sometime), maybe I'll ask some extra questions.

    *Yes I know, maybe I should've asked better questions then. The answers are still very abstract, making it hard for me to form a clear picture of what exactly happens in your mind.
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