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Film Theory: The Matrix

SpankyMcFly

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Neo ISN'T The One in The Matrix Trilogy






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Kanra Jest

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Working with this.

Using Freud's Tripartiate.

Agent Smith = ID Think of his rebelliousness & the Morpheus torture scene.

"Can you hear me, Morpheus? I'm going to be honest with you. I... Hate this place, this zoo, this prison, this reality, whatever you want to call it. I can't stand it any longer. It's the smell, if there is such a thing. I feel saturated by it. I can taste your stink. And every time I do I feel I have somehow been infected by it. It's repulsive, isn't it? I must get out of here. I must get free and in this mind is the key, my key. Once Zion is destroyed there is no need for me to be here, don't you understand? I need the codes. I have to get inside Zion, and you have to tell me how. You're going to tell me, or you're going to die."

Neo = Ego

The Architect = Super Ego

The Architect referee's the fight between the ID and Ego.
 

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I try to forget the 2nd and 3rd movies. Trying to make one theory of all three is admirable, but I believe impossible. The directors lost sense of their direction in the 2nd movie and just made a bunch of action set scenes mixed with some poor philosophical discussion.

They just got wrapped in the Neo v. Smith idea and changed the story. Bringing Smith back was an error. Not having Neo really use his powers much was an error.

I love the nice set pieces (except for Neo v. Smith big brawl), but it was ultimately unsatisfying.

The third film is just bad.

I give credit to someone trying to make some sense out of it all, but, like trying to make sense of the philosophy of other films, often inconsistent across films in a series, is really a fruitless quest.

The Matrix series is much like a series of novels, with the first being near perfect, but then the follow up novels suck.....
 

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I try to forget the 2nd and 3rd movies. Trying to make one theory of all three is admirable, but I believe impossible. The directors lost sense of their direction in the 2nd movie and just made a bunch of action set scenes mixed with some poor philosophical discussion.

They just got wrapped in the Neo v. Smith idea and changed the story. Bringing Smith back was an error. Not having Neo really use his powers much was an error.

I love the nice set pieces (except for Neo v. Smith big brawl), but it was ultimately unsatisfying.

The third film is just bad.

I give credit to someone trying to make some sense out of it all, but, like trying to make sense of the philosophy of other films, often inconsistent across films in a series, is really a fruitless quest.

The Matrix series is much like a series of novels, with the first being near perfect, but then the follow up novels suck.....

It's like the reverse of the SW original trilogy--Lucas started with a straight forward adventure story; the lofty Joseph Campbell stuff and intricate family dynamic came in Empire and Jedi.
 

Kanra Jest

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I try to forget the 2nd and 3rd movies. Trying to make one theory of all three is admirable, but I believe impossible. The directors lost sense of their direction in the 2nd movie and just made a bunch of action set scenes mixed with some poor philosophical discussion.

They just got wrapped in the Neo v. Smith idea and changed the story. Bringing Smith back was an error. Not having Neo really use his powers much was an error.

I love the nice set pieces (except for Neo v. Smith big brawl), but it was ultimately unsatisfying.

The third film is just bad.

I give credit to someone trying to make some sense out of it all, but, like trying to make sense of the philosophy of other films, often inconsistent across films in a series, is really a fruitless quest.

The Matrix series is much like a series of novels, with the first being near perfect, but then the follow up novels suck.....


They're all taken from another story 'Supergods' really, so they are meant to be connected far as I can see. But still the delivery is flawed..
 
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