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    i just got back from seeing this movie. it has its problems, but i don't think it deserves a 26% on rotten tomatoes. i would give it around a 65%.

    has anyone else seen it? what did you think?
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    I had tickets for yesterday but due to car trouble had to cancel.
    (The cool part is that I could exchange it for credit and can just apply to a future ticket purchase.)

    I still plan to go see it. I'm kind of shocked by the score; obviously it's not a direct quality rating, it's just saying that only 27% of reviewers would give it a Thumbs Up if they had to say yea or nay (whereas you were giving the movie an actual 65% in terms of quality?), but we're now in Sucker Punch territory. Srsly? (Actually, I like some aspects of Sucker Punch even if it could have been a better movie... darn, I say that about Snyder movies a lot.)

    Anyway, I'll let you know what I think when I finally get to see it... and determine whether this is "bad movie" or simply "not what we expected / not as good as it could have been so it sucks" critic assessment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Totenkindly View Post
    I had tickets for yesterday but due to car trouble had to cancel.
    (The cool part is that I could exchange it for credit and can just apply to a future ticket purchase.)

    I still plan to go see it. I'm kind of shocked by the score; obviously it's not a direct quality rating, it's just saying that only 27% of reviewers would give it a Thumbs Up if they had to say yea or nay (whereas you were giving the movie an actual 65% in terms of quality?), but we're now in Sucker Punch territory. Srsly? (Actually, I like some aspects of Sucker Punch even if it could have been a better movie... darn, I say that about Snyder movies a lot.)

    Anyway, I'll let you know what I think when I finally get to see it... and determine whether this is "bad movie" or simply "not what we expected / not as good as it could have been so it sucks" critic assessment.
    Dude, it's hot, moist garbage. I went and saw it yesterday with some folks. A film buff like you would reel at the amount of things that are wrong from a technical point of view.

    I went in with pretty limited expectations. I had read up a bit on what had gone down with the production. Apparently, most of what's wrong with the movie is attributable to the fact that Warner Bros was in crisis mode after Batman v. Superman bombed. One of the biggest critiques for why the DC movies were floundering in the way that they have been (+/- second Superman movie) is that they're so dark. Suicide Squad was directed by David Ayer, who also did Training Day among other dark, gritty action films on his resume, and initial versions of Suicide Squad were in that vein as shown by the trailer from last years San Diego Comic Con:



    When Warner Bros balks, they do this end around thing where they let Ayers finish his version of the film, and then work on a new cut with the company they had do a new, funer trailer for the film.



    They test both Ayers version and Trailer Park's (the trailer production studio) with an audience, and get better feedback on the latter. What ends up being released is some weird mishmash, Franken-version of the two, and it completely shows. The movie is tonally really weird. The overall premise of the movie is bleak af, and the comedic elements work against it in a way that doesn't really take that context into account. The central conflict is introduced in such a way that it's like..."Hey this looks like it's an issue. Oh is this is the issue? Well ok...I guess we're doing this, then. " People are introduced randomly and get disappeared.

    Best parts of the movie are anything that involve Will Smith, Margot Robbie or Viola Davis. They do really good work. The music is good. Everything ends mercifully quickly. The only other good that can possibly said is a point that was made in an AV Club article on this movie that pointed out that when you have one of these franchise films that's given "too much to do", the movie tends to be poorly received. They pointed at Iron Man 2 as a film that was tasked with not only continuing the Iron Man story, but also intro'ing the characters and concept for the Avengers films. I felt pretty certain leaving the theatre that if they had done this movie 4-5 years from now with more groundwork in place, it would have been a much better film.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wind Up Rex View Post
    Dude, it's hot, moist garbage. I went and saw it yesterday with some folks. A film buff like you would reel at the amount of things that are wrong from a technical point of view.
    ... ffuuuuuuuuuccccckkkkkkk......

    I gotta say, this is probably my largest disappointment of the year. I was expecting issues with Batman v Superman, I didn't expect a ton from Star Trek (and it was pretty much as I had expected), and I was a little disappointed over the reception to Jason Bourne; I was hoping THIS experience would at least be something nice under the tree.

    I think I'll only feel worse if Rogue One ends up being a huge bomb.


    .... What ends up being released is some weird mishmash, Franken-version of the two, and it completely shows. The movie is tonally really weird. The overall premise of the movie is bleak af, and the comedic elements work against it in a way that doesn't really take that context into account. The central conflict is introduced in such a way that it's like..."Hey this looks like it's an issue. Oh is this is the issue? Well ok...I guess we're doing this, then. " People are introduced randomly and get disappeared.
    Arggggg.

    Best parts of the movie are anything that involve Will Smith, Margot Robbie or Viola Davis. They do really good work. The music is good.
    Yeah, I had heard that about Smith and Robbie, and I can't imagine Davis ever being bad. Well, anything that ensures we're going to see more of Robbie in other movies with any studio isn't a bad thing.

    Everything ends mercifully quickly. The only other good that can possibly said is a point that was made in an AV Club article on this movie that pointed out that when you have one of these franchise films that's given "too much to do", the movie tends to be poorly received. They pointed at Iron Man 2 as a film that was tasked with not only continuing the Iron Man story, but also intro'ing the characters and concept for the Avengers films. I felt pretty certain leaving the theatre that if they had done this movie 4-5 years from now with more groundwork in place, it would have been a much better film.
    it's been a persistent complaint about DC. They sat on the superhero movie concept for years, putting out a few decent pics as well as some bad ones. Then Marvel gets their shit together, starts pumping out some pretty decent pictures altogether, and then DC is like "Oh shit, we just lost our spot as king of the hill" and tries to rush in without doing any of the prep work or laying a good foundation. And they pay for it -- over, and over, and over again. Slow down. Do it right. The whole Justice League tie-in from BvS was half-assed IMO. It's just... really, guys? You have some of the greatest licensed characters in the history of comics. They don't seem to have the patience or big-picture vision to go the long haul here.

    Now I'm wondering whether Wonder Woman will be any good; the trailer was decent, and Gadot LOOKS / EVOKES Wonder Woman, but I have no idea if she can carry a whole movie or how the movie itself will go.
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    I'm just going to wait for the director's cut.

    Maybe it will be better and contain more of the original vision.

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    it kind of felt like The Dirty Dozen meets the first Resident Evil movie... now with quirkier characters!

    the assessment of our group who watched it was that the two best parts of the movie were Harley Quinn and the soundtrack and that in general the plot had a lot of flaws... like A LOT of them
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    Quote Originally Posted by Totenkindly View Post
    ... ffuuuuuuuuuccccckkkkkkk......

    I gotta say, this is probably my largest disappointment of the year. I was expecting issues with Batman v Superman, I didn't expect a ton from Star Trek (and it was pretty much as I had expected), and I was a little disappointed over the reception to Jason Bourne; I was hoping THIS experience would at least be something nice under the tree.

    I think I'll only feel worse if Rogue One ends up being a huge bomb.
    Yeah, girl. I hate to be the one, but I've given up on this summer. Thank god for Stranger Things. It was like the spirit of Spielberg himself came down and blessed us in these bleak times.

    I'm also living my best life working through a list of experimental and avant garde horror I'd had sitting on a letterboxd for months now.

    (Which reminds me I need to get your handle for that site.)


    Yeah, I had heard that about Smith and Robbie, and I can't imagine Davis ever being bad. Well, anything that ensures we're going to see more of Robbie in other movies with any studio isn't a bad thing.
    I'm in love with Margot Robbie. I want nothing for good things for her. She's, for better or worse, one of those people who's so beautiful that it's almost a handicap to her, career-wise. It's the same problem Brad Pitt had for most of the early part of his career where you have a guy who's clearly a brilliant character actor who gets these bland leading roles because of his looks. There's a piece on Fandor about the double edged sword of having her role in Wolf of Wall Street be her breakthrough. Where she's amazing in it, has incredible exposure from it, but having to work through being sidelined as just a sex object since.



    it's been a persistent complaint about DC. They sat on the superhero movie concept for years, putting out a few decent pics as well as some bad ones. Then Marvel gets their shit together, starts pumping out some pretty decent pictures altogether, and then DC is like "Oh shit, we just lost our spot as king of the hill" and tries to rush in without doing any of the prep work or laying a good foundation. And they pay for it -- over, and over, and over again. Slow down. Do it right. The whole Justice League tie-in from BvS was half-assed IMO. It's just... really, guys? You have some of the greatest licensed characters in the history of comics. They don't seem to have the patience or big-picture vision to go the long haul here.

    Now I'm wondering whether Wonder Woman will be any good; the trailer was decent, and Gadot LOOKS / EVOKES Wonder Woman, but I have no idea if she can carry a whole movie or how the movie itself will go.
    Now that you've brought this up it brings to mind a really interesting idea for me. Warner Brothers was the studio that did the Dark Knight trilogy. Why are they trying to beat Marvel playing the same game, if they have the wherewithal to make films like that?

    It feels like taking a more highbrow/arthouse route to comic book films is where they were trying to go with the "darker" Superman films, but there are so many more ways to make a film artistically interesting or meaningful than just making it "dark". I think it's actually kind of a cop out at this point to just grit some shit up and think that automatically equates to depth. Semi-related, but my mom always railed against the Oprah's book club for that reason.

    But yeah, I 100% agree that the issue has been this rush to compete that's led to a lot of shitty movies. I completely understand how DC might have felt that pressure because of the amount of money that Marvel is making, but like you said, they're screwing up their brand in the process. Have you heard about them retconning the comics themselves to support the movies??
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    Heard it was so bad, that last night I watched Jason Bourne instead.


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    I'm a bigger problem when I click with Skrillex
    Murder on my mind, it's time to pray to God
    My revolver is that religion's the revolution's bond
    You wanna know my name then go and tell them Sarg
    You wanna know my gang, Suicide squad
    Pistol on my waist, I might make a mistake
    Dead shot, head shot, oh my God, am I crazy?
    Drugs every corner, this is Gotham City
    Killer Croc came to kidnap you, to cut out your kidney
    Ain't no mercy, got that purple Lamborghini lurkin'
    Rozay, don't you know that pussy worth it
    Flooded Rolex at the Grammy awards
    They still sellin' dope, that's those Miami boys
    Killers everywhere, it ain't no place to run
    Forgive me for my wrongs, I have just begun

    Ain't no mercy, a-ain't no mercy
    Got that purple Lamborghini lurkin'
    Ain't no mercy, a-ain't no mercy
    Got that purple Lamborghini lurkin

    Don't be beggin' for your life cause that's a lost cause
    High stakes, body armor, suicide boy
    There's a time for games and there's a time to kill
    Make up your mind baby, there's no time to chill
    Capital murder, capital lettuce
    Yeah she catchin' my vibe but can't fathom my cheddar
    Need a couple gang members for these new endeavors
    From this point on anything we do, we do together
    Body on the corner, million in the trunk
    Seven figures, I will spend that every other month
    Killers on the corner, talons in the clip
    Villa Palisade and Paris just to fill with bitches
    Say my name and I'm coming with the gun squad
    Everybody runnin', homie, there's only one God
    Cocaine, white Ferrari, I'm in the fast lane
    Every day was life and death, that's when the cash came
    Count money, drug residue even blood on 'em
    He had a driver 'til I put my cause on it
    Kickin' in the dope boy, Suicide Squad
    Needle in my arm so I'm do or die for it

    Ain't no mercy, a-ain't no mercy
    Got that purple Lamborghini lurkin'
    Ain't no mercy, a-ain't no mercy
    Got that purple Lamborghini lurkin', Rozay

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    I liked it probably not my favorite movie ever, of course there's very few movies i hate. I tend to like most movies i just don't expect the world to be some type of way i guess.
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