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Hannibal (TV Series), finally a depiction that lives up to Silence of the Lambs

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Holy Shit!! Those sly bastards! I see credits and just turn it off, did you happen to see this little detail (sarcasm font) by accident?

yeah, now I need to rewatch some scenes.

Found it by accident. I stream what seems to be AVI's, and I noticed when I went to click off during the credits there was too much time left, and then caught a flicker of an image later, so I unpaused and kept watching.

Then was dumbfounded. I feel so snookered.

Scenes to watch:
- Some of the stuff from first season.
- the scene where bedelia visits Will.
- when hannibal goes to bedelia's place but doesn't find her.
- bedelia's interrogation. <-- big one

My impression is that Bedelia knew what hannibal was last season, that she is most aware of the truths in the series, but she is also enticed/enmeshed in some way and can't extract herself.
 

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That's my thinking as well. She's afraid of him but probably thinks she's safer with him than against him. I saw her turning down the champagne as a refusal to celebrate with Hannibal, a subtle holding back.

Someone commenting on AVClub put it well- when else would she have the opportunity to observe the most fascinating human alive in his element? But I also think there's an element of fear there too.
 

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My impression is that Bedelia knew what hannibal was last season, that she is most aware of the truths in the series, but she is also enticed/enmeshed in some way and can't extract herself.

This makes sense.

 
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My question is, what was Hannibal going to do if Will's story was true? (him killing Freddie, and so forth)

Was he really going to turn himself in, give Abigail to Will?
 

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My question is, what was Hannibal going to do if Will's story was true? (him killing Freddie, and so forth)

Was he really going to turn himself in, give Abigail to Will?

I think his plan was to kill Jack and then leave with Abigail and Will.
 

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Me neither, until recently- I had seen him on The Big C before this and he seemed natural in his American accent then too.

As an aside, I find him painfully attractive.
 

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Oh my gosh, that was weird, seeing Hannibal slouching and wearing sneakers that don't even match his outfit. I've never seen Mads Mikkelson in anything else, so basically he's Hannibal to me.
 

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It's why I thought those interviews were interesting. :)

I do find Hugh attractive, although that particular physical build is not usually one that interests me. I think it's personality, but then again I only really know him as Will.

I saw Mikkelsen first in Casino Royale, as Le Chiffre, but this role has been more definitive to me.
 

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I'm pretty excited to have gotten the Hannibal Season 1 blurays today.

Not only am I getting to see the show finally in crystal-clear detail (I was watching on low-rez avi's or something before), but it also includes the 4th episode that did not air in the US (I don't remember whether I saw it online or not). It also has "producer's cuts" of five episodes and a small grab-bag of extra's.

It's also kind of interesting to now go back and watch the show with a quicker pace rather than weekly over a period of two years. I had forgotten some things.

The Garrett Jacob Hobbes sequence is pretty close to what was in the book, except that Mrs. Hobbes came tottering down the steps bleeding to death and here she just goes out the front door. That whole incident (aside from Hannibal being present in the show) is pretty close to the book version.

But here's a worse part: Hannibal is such a bastard. I need to look again, but how he cut Abigail up in the season 2 finale is (I think) exactly how her dad cut her in season 1. And she's laying there just the same way, shuddering on the floor and bleeding out. And Hannibal's too smart to have done that by accident. He was killing her just as her dad tried to kill her, and it was a scene Will had already seen before, in S1E1. That was just... cold.
 
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But here's a worse part: Hannibal is such a bastard. I need to look again, but how he cut Abigail up in the season 2 finale is (I think) exactly how her dad cut her in season 1. And she's laying there just the same way, shuddering on the floor and bleeding out. And Hannibal's too smart to have done that by accident. He was killing her just as her dad tried to kill her, and it was a scene Will had already seen before, in S1E1. That was just... cold.

It's as if he's some kind of psychopath :smile:

Yeesh, Hannibal on blu-ray. Add a really great sound system, that huge TV of yours, turn off all the lights, and you'll have your own personal virtual reality nightmare machine!
 

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It's as if he's some kind of psychopath :smile:

Yeesh, Hannibal on blu-ray. Add a really great sound system, that huge TV of yours, turn off all the lights, and you'll have your own personal virtual reality nightmare machine!

Hannibal had nothing up on The Mountain.
 

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Watched S1E2.

I think it was unclear throughout the first season whether Abigail was complicit in her father's crimes -- at least it seemed to be a question. In the end, I think we discovered that she was the "bait" for the girls, she would befriend them and bring them within range of her father, who then did to them whatever he had planned.

In this episode, Jack pretty much floats all this to Will in the beginning. "She'd make a great bait, Will -- a lure." Will denies it as a possibility, he insists the killer acted alone. In a sense, they're both right (I don't think Abby ever killed anyone, did she? My memory is foggy.) But I wanted to note that Jack, the EST, had her pegged correctly before it all became confusing with Will's becoming too enmeshed with Hannibal.

Also of interest -- Beverly Katz' engaging Will especially on the shooting range. She was a great character, one of her strengths being her self-confidence and forthrightness. She just walks into Will's world unapologetically, even breaks his body space to improve his shooting stance (successfully). She's inquisitive and she doesn't back down, but she's not necessarily hostile, she seems to take delight in engaging and being challenged herself. You know where you stand with Katz. Her two male compatriots don't seem nearly as forward.

But... that has an obvious bearing on her future and theirs.

Be sure to rewatch that in blu ray.

Hannibal is like a master painter, with style, finesse, delicate line work. Every dot is considered, every line consciously thought through. Of him it is said, "This is by design."

The Mountain is like the amateur Jackson Pollack wannabe of splatterpaint.
(Or, maybe a more apt analogy, the Gallagher.)

I will note that maybe the similarity between GoT and Hannibal is that both have balls, no one is safe. As bad as S4E8 of GoT was, the season 2 finale to Hannibal leaves four cast members precariously poised between life and death, while the devil not only lives to fight another day but might even be a-courtin', nonny nonny -- it is not what we expected or hoped for.

Just found this article:

NBC Mads Mikkelsen

 
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I think it was unclear throughout the first season whether Abigail was complicit in her father's crimes -- at least it seemed to be a question. In the end, I think we discovered that she was the "bait" for the girls, she would befriend them and bring them within range of her father, who then did to them whatever he had planned.

In this episode, Jack pretty much floats all this to Will in the beginning. "She'd make a great bait, Will -- a lure." Will denies it as a possibility, he insists the killer acted alone. In a sense, they're both right (I don't think Abby ever killed anyone, did she? My memory is foggy.) But I wanted to note that Jack, the EST, had her pegged correctly before it all became confusing with Will's becoming too enmeshed with Hannibal.

Abigail did kill Nicholas Boyle. And the self-defense claim was questionable. Hannibal helped her cover up the body.

BUT I don't think she's a killer. She did help her dad lure people to their deaths, but I don't think she got any enjoyment out of it. She was more doing it out of fear of her father, I think.

Memory's a bit foggy as well.
 

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Also, you've convinced me. Frankly, Will is just a little too close for a comfort to me, as far as his psychological makeup compares to mine. I think you probably wouldn't be surprised to hear that.

:newwink:
 

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Abigail did kill Nicholas Boyle. And the self-defense claim was questionable. Hannibal helped her cover up the body.

Yeah, that was in Episode 3 , I think. That's where they become entangled -- it's not clear that she knows Hannibal is the guy who called (she hints at it) until she just comes out and says it. At that point, he uses his death to entrap her (and she's already emotionally compromised) so that they are now confidantes and she won't reveal him.

He also kills her friend.

BUT I don't think she's a killer. She did help her dad lure people to their deaths, but I don't think she got any enjoyment out of it. She was more doing it out of fear of her father, I think.

Memory's a bit foggy as well.

I don't remember what she says near the series' end but I think she talks more about it.

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Moving on to Episode 4 , which did not air in the US:

It's not one of the best episodes, and it's a bit different in tone for some reason... I haven't quite finished it yet, but the gist is that the villain isn't necessarily a serial killer. Different motivations. But it focuses on family -- children who go missing and how their families end up being shot to death at some point afterwards.

Of interest:
 

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Teacup symbolism:


Finishing Episode 4, here's something of interest about Abigail:




And here's something of interest about Will:



Peace in the Pieces Disassembled: Deconstructing Hannibal, Part V | Waiting for a TARDIS that never comes.

Just understood the teacup scene from last episode : HannibalTV
 
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