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    In anticipation of this sequel, I'm gonna start re-reading The Shining tonight/whenever I can catch time to decompress.

    Haven't read it since elementary & jr. high school. (Stephen King books practically raised me, haha)

    Gotta refresh my memory. It's cool to see how the voices, textures, & tones within the story tend to shift over time with one's perspective.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    That's the problem with King in the latter half of his career. He needs a decent editor for his books and tends to be given too much leeway, as whatever he writes is going to sell regardless. I found the first half of his career to be his best work. Nowadays you just don't know what you're going to get from him -- some of his stuff sucks, some of it is good.
    I don't always enjoy family guy, but this video seemed apt:

    'One of (Lucas) Cranach's masterpieces, discussed by (Joseph) Koerner, is in it's self-referentiality the perfect expression of left-hemisphere emptiness and a precursor of post-modernism. There is no longer anything to point to beyond, nothing Other, so it points pointlessly to itself.' - Iain McGilChrist

    Suppose a tree fell down, Pooh, when we were underneath it?"
    "Suppose it didn't," said Pooh, after careful thought.
    Piglet was comforted by this.
    - A.A. Milne.

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    Well, I did not read the book yet (although now I will -- I have had it sitting on my shelf for months but was trying to get through The Shining again first)...

    .... but I just saw the film tonight. Ferguson (as Rose the Hat) was pretty awesome and MacGregor was good as grown-up Danny. There was also an unfortunate cameo by Jacob Tremblay who has been in at least one other Mike Flanagan film I can remember (Before I Wake). I cannot vouch for how closely the film followed the book, although there were certain bits of dialogue (usually when character "holds forth" aka starts giving a small speech) that I thought sounded like King and was probably ripped right out of the book.

    I think Flanagan and Darabont have done the best King adaptations in general, consistently. (Darabont did The Shawshank Redemption, The Green Mile, and The Mist; Flanagan has done Gerald's Game and Doctor Sleep.) Actually, I guess with this and watching Absentia a few weeks ago for my Halloween run, I've seen all of Flanagan's full-length films + The Haunting of Hill House.

    How did I feel about it as a film in itself? I felt like the first 45 minutes was a little slow, then things kicked in and got kinda crazy. (There's a lovely scene between Rose and Abra -- the girl with the Shine -- that is, well, fucking awesome... maybe multiple scenes, to be honest, Abra gets better and better as the film progresses.) And then I was smiling a lot in the last half hour, when Danny Torrence Goes Home (so to speak) but then the big confrontation didn't end up lasting as long as I thought. And I think that's kind of how I felt with much of it. The narrative parts were fine, but most of the confrontation scenes that should have felt better were decent but just not quite as good as they might have been. (Like the final battle with the True Knot, I guess they're called; and the final confrontation with Danny and Rose; and so on...) Flanagan seems to be good at evoking mood and drama and some creepy stuff but I think overall he's not sure how to shoot or pace action sequences as well? He's not bad, just not at the top of the pack. I could tell he was aiming for something SUPER-resonant, and it was MOSTLY resonant instead.

    Anyway, that was how overall the movie felt -- like, lots of good ideas and done decently, but not quite revved up to their max, like they had been bleached a bit of their color. Still a 4/5 film, which is decent.

    Really enjoyed Ferguson. And I like her wardrobe design. Wondering if it's a signifier of her age (her style of clothes) -- it would put her in the Victorian age? -- since it's clear another one of the True Knot was from the Roman era at least in the film. The True Knot reminded me vaguely in concept of the Near Dark vampire clan running around messing shit up and taking what they wanted. They are never called the True Knot in the movie, I think.
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    It's kind of sad that Doctor Sleep did so poorly at the BO... from what they say now, it might end up losing $30 million, if not more, after all the costs are figured out balanced by world-wide BO. It's a decent film, even if not the best, and deserved what positive review it got.

    Meanwhile, the Pet Semetary remake earlier this year made more money, made a profit... and man, that film sucked. Wasn't awful (the acting was better than the original) and had a few creepy moments and tried a few big twists, but was also derivative and off the rails. Like, it was great at times because it was so bad in the ending and SHAMELESSLY so -- the directors knew it and simply did not care, so... I can admire that. But it certainly did not adhere to the spirit of the text, it felt more like a remake of the earlier film... so twice removed from the book. It is really a B movie.

    Why did Doctor Sleep do poorly? Maybe released the same weekend as Midway with Veterans Day around wasn't great. It's after Halloween now, people are moving on to their Christmas jollies. Not sure how many people read Doctor Sleep (I'm reading it now), and while there's film viewers who appreciate The Shining, Stanley Kubrick did not direct this film regardless. it's almost like there's a bunch of niche categories that are reductive, not additive -- people might be less interested because of what the film is not (all the influences are partial, so they can feel watered down), rather than excited about a piece of what the film is that is of interest.

    AS I noted, the film was decent but not at the tip-top of King films, and then ending felt kind of flat/subdued. I think Flannigan's "Gerald's Game" adaptation was stronger. But Doctor Sleep does have some great parts. I do like how King's world is interconnected, and they even made this tighter in the film -- for example, they referred to the one girl as a "pusher" (which folks who are familiar with "Firestarter" will recall regarding Andy McGee's psychic power).

    AS noted elsewhere, IT Chapter 2 and another film still made a killing, so the losses can be easily absorbed. It's just disappointing if this would dissuade future efforts to adapt King's works from being made.
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