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"Skyfall" theme song...

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The opening title sequence of Skyfall is rather interesting, at least what can be seen of it:


Though not enough dancing girls...but at least there are more than in the shitty Casino Royale title sequence.

Skyfall's title sequence is like walking through a haunted house. And what was with those Chinese dragon eel things?

I think my favorite title sequence of the Brosnan/Craig (post-Maurice Binder) era was the one for Tomorrow Never Dies, where technology is the theme.
 

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From the Knights Templar to Bond, James Bond

I like Bond, James Bond that is, 007 with a license to kill, because before Bond there was Simon Templar, otherwise known as 'the Saint'.

And I like Simon Templar, the Saint, because before Templar there were the Knights Templar.

And the line from the Knights Templar of the Middle Ages can be drawn right up to the present day with James Bond in, "Skyfall", for the Knights Templar were given a dispensation by the Pope to kill without losing their immortal souls, just as James Bond today has a license to kill.
 

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That's cute... although I think there is an underlying assumption that Bond has already lost his soul and is damned in this career of his. Seriously. I think it kind of plays that way. He has gotten no special dispensation, he is damned so that the rest of the world can sleep easy, and there's no way for him to ever assuage his guilt. He must just kill and kill until he is in turn killed himself. And he rather knows this, and accepts his fate, and it brings a kind of futility and melancholy to his actions. (It was especially highlighted in this iteration when he lost Vesper -- I doubt he believes he can ever be happy, he is in fact cursed.)
 

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The Papal Dispensation, Simon Templar, Bond and Breivik

That's cute... although I think there is an underlying assumption that Bond has already lost his soul and is damned in this career of his. Seriously. I think it kind of plays that way. He has gotten no special dispensation, he is damned so that the rest of the world can sleep easy, and there's no way for him to ever assuage his guilt. He must just kill and kill until he is in turn killed himself. And he rather knows this, and accepts his fate, and it brings a kind of futility and melancholy to his actions. (It was especially highlighted in this iteration when he lost Vesper -- I doubt he believes he can ever be happy, he is in fact cursed.)

I like being cute for you.

And the papal dispensation of the Knights Templar resonate today in real life with Anders Behring Breivik who saw himself as continuing the tradition of the Knights Templar. And just as the Knights Templar could kill without losing their immortal souls, Breivik also believes he can do no wrong by killing for his country.
 

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I like being cute for you.

I'm intrigued. :smile:

And the papal dispensation of the Knights Templar resonate today in real life with Anders Behring Breivik who saw himself as continuing the tradition of the Knights Templar. And just as the Knights Templar could kill without losing their immortal souls, Breivik also believes he can do no wrong by killing for his country.

Who is Breivik again?

To tie things back to spies and secret assassin orgs again, David Morrell's earlier novels dealt with some historical bits and pieces (like David Abelard), as well as his Fraternity of the Stone about a group of assassin monks.
 

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I like Bond, James Bond that is, 007 with a license to kill, because before Bond there was Simon Templar, otherwise known as 'the Saint'.

And I like Simon Templar, the Saint, because before Templar there were the Knights Templar.

And the line from the Knights Templar of the Middle Ages can be drawn right up to the present day with James Bond in, "Skyfall", for the Knights Templar were given a dispensation by the Pope to kill without losing their immortal souls, just as James Bond today has a license to kill.


So in other words: James Bond is gonna be a playable character in the new Assassin's Creed video game.
 

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Been listening to the older theme songs. Tell me this would've been a better theme song for the opening titles


instead of, well, this one:


FUNFACT: The Man with the Golden Gun is widely regarded as the most unsuccessful Bond movie of all time. I guarantee it would've been a big hit if they chose to use Alice Cooper's rejected theme song, don't you?

I mean, who cares that the song is conveniently written so that the title is announced just when the title is shown on screen?
 

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The music doesn't have as heavy a "Bond" stamp on it, but I think it's a far more interesting song on its own than the theme they used.
 

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The music doesn't have as heavy a "Bond" stamp on it, but I think it's a far more interesting song on its own than the theme they used.

I did hear a tiny hint of Monty Norman's iconic theme song, though.

Another song without the heavy "Bond" stamp was this film's predecessor, Live and Let Die.

Besides, it's Alice Cooper!!!!

BTW, what was your opinion of the actual film The Man with the Golden Gun? I watched it again on the 50th Anniversary blu-ray collection, I didn't think it was half bad, except
 

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I did hear a tiny hint of Monty Norman's iconic theme song, though.

Another song without the heavy "Bond" stamp was this film's predecessor, Live and Let Die.

Besides, it's Alice Cooper!!!!

BTW, what was your opinion of the actual film The Man with the Golden Gun?

TBH, I haven't watched the Connery/Moore movies for about 18-20 years now. I should give them a revisit, to see how I view them now. Although I think Christopher Lee was the baddie (?), it was funny seeing Herve whassisname in the same movie, since I automatically mentally then try to match him with Ricardo Montalbon. I also never saw many of the Pierce Brosnan showings -- I think only GoldenEye had decent reviews, but the truth is that I got bored with Bond by that point and just stopped watching, they all seemed too derivative ... a copy of a copy of a copy... until the new iteration came around.
 

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TBH, I haven't watched the Connery/Moore movies for about 18-20 years now. I should give them a revisit, to see how I view them now. Although I think Christopher Lee was the baddie (?), it was funny seeing Herve whassisname in the same movie, since I automatically mentally then try to match him with Ricardo Montalbon. I also never saw many of the Pierce Brosnan showings -- I think only GoldenEye had decent reviews, but the truth is that I got bored with Bond by that point and just stopped watching, they all seemed too derivative ... a copy of a copy of a copy... until the new iteration came around.

Yes, Christopher Lee was the baddie. I suppose that he wasn't as menacing as he is generally known for.

I thought the Brosnan ones were decent, particularly Tomorrow Never Dies and The World is Not Enough. Both underrated. I thought TND was a great way to modernize the franchise to reflect the cultural climate at the time, much like what the Connery/Moore movies did. TWINE was great because it had the sexiest Bond girls, even if Denise Richards was a very silly casting choice...but who cares?

I didn't have as much of a problem with Die Another Day as much as some did. I thought that the disappearing Aston Martin was mostly believable within the Bond universe, and considering what was happening within cinematic culture at the time (MTV-style editing, and Matrix-style slow-motion), I felt it fit in quite nicely. And while the face altering device was a bit far-fetched, I think that this should be brought back if the rumors of Craig's replacement as Bond are true -- Idris Elba might replace him as the first black James Bond. They could work it into the story somehow. (And before I'm accused for being racist, I wouldn't want a white Shaft or a white Blade.)

I think the biggest problem with Die Another Day is not its overuse of CGI, but rather the poor CGI in general, which made the film very distracting. I do believe DAD was the first Bond movie to use CG stunt doubles. And they were horrendous. But every other absurd thing was nothing that we haven't seen before.
 

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Nothing beats this:


One of the greatest scores in movie history, and easily the finest of the Bond series.

And Die Another Day was a concrete example of what NOT to do while making a Bond movie.
It was the pinnacle of everything the series ever did wrong.
 

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And Die Another Day was a concrete example of what NOT to do while making a Bond movie.
It was the pinnacle of everything the series ever did wrong.

I kinda liked the opening title sequence of Die Another Day, it was an interesting way of advancing the story. Just mute before watching.
 

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I kinda liked the opening title sequence of Die Another Day, it was an interesting way of advancing the story. Just mute before watching.

Someone put Madonna's theme in the top ten Bond tracks ever, but I'm not sure why. I'd consider Duran Duran's "A View to a Kill" better than that, in terms of being a BOND theme. It just sounds like yet another Madonna song to me.

One of the greatest scores in movie history, and easily the finest of the Bond series.

Crap, I forgot about that cool shift from minor to major in the first few lines, that was so AWESOME.
 

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I kinda liked the opening title sequence of Die Another Day, it was an interesting way of advancing the story. Just mute before watching.

That was the only redeeming moment of that movie.
And then that song has to go and ruin that as well.

EVERYTHING sucked about Die Another Day.
 

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That's easy. Pretentious art critics who choose the opposite end simply to stand out.

Lol... well, I wasn't referring to art critics, just to one of those movie site "top ten lists," and I'd guess it was someone in their 20-30's who comprised the list.... but really, the song just wasn't branded as a Bond song. It was all about madonna.
 

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Lol... well, I wasn't referring to art critics, just to one of those movie site "top ten lists," and I'd guess it was someone in their 20-30's who comprised the list.... but really, the song just wasn't branded as a Bond song. It was all about madonna.

She played a wax statue in the movie, too.
 
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