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    Amazing.

    But anyway, that's not the point. The point is at the top of the post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haphazard View Post
    Is that it? That it seemed like this had a chance to happen *to some people of particular cultural and political biases*, but it didn't, because we are not apt to plunge into depths of inaccurate dystopic visions but instead suffer whiplash by being yanked back and forth?
    See bolds, italics, and strikethroughs for how I think it could be better put.
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    H, I added a bunch more references for your enjoyment in that post too.

    Again, what IS your question?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeaceBaby View Post
    H, I added a bunch more references for your enjoyment in that post too.

    Again, what IS your question?
    I think I've been offering answers to it, PB.

    I think it's, "Why did the vision in this book not affect me?"

    (PB: fyi, I decided to offer my opinions on this topic, because I'd written a few posts back and forth with Haphazard about dystopic visions in other authors [Orwell, Philip K. Dick, Bradbury, and Huxley] just minutes before she posted this one.)
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    I don’t see it as you stepping away from the fire. I see it as the fire directing your course.
    No matter how airy or earthy or watery you become... to many of us you will always be...a super nova."

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    Usually in books I am very interested in historical context. I did an entire research project on the historical context of various satires, after all.

    However I tried to look up historical contexts for this book but what I found was people saying how "frightening" and "relevant" it was.

    I suppose I'm not used to the culture shock.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haphazard View Post
    Usually in books I am very interested in historical context. I did an entire research project on the historical context of various satires, after all.

    However I tried to look up historical contexts for this book but what I found was people saying how "frightening" and "relevant" it was.

    I suppose I'm not used to the culture shock.
    Sorry, Haphazard, but I don't really know anything about you, other than that my girlfriend thinks you're extremely bright.

    Mind filling me in a bit on where you're from and anything else you might feel is relevant (I already know you're approximate age), so that I might have a better clue as to why the vision in the book seems to not resonate with you personally?
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    No matter how airy or earthy or watery you become... to many of us you will always be...a super nova."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    Sorry, Haphazard, but I don't really know anything about you, other than that my girlfriend thinks you're extremely bright.

    Mind filling me in a bit on where you're from and anything else you might feel is relevant (I already know you're approximate age), so that I might have a better clue as to why the vision in the book seems to not resonate with you personally?
    17, Jewish, suburbanite with severe money troubles. I do not live in a "liberal" area of the USA, but the flavor of conservatism is not redneckish but more of the wealthy sort.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haphazard View Post
    17, Jewish, suburbanite with severe money troubles. I do not live in a "liberal" area of the USA, but the flavor of conservatism is not redneckish but more of the wealthy sort.
    Bingo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    Bingo.
    Which part? That I'm young, that I'm Jewish, that my neighbors are upper-middle-class conservatives?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    I think I've been offering answers to it, PB.

    I think it's, "Why did the vision in this book not affect me?"
    Thanks Z; I was seeing what you were answering, but I was hoping H could articulate it more completely, more ... specifically. I wanted to pin down the source of the discontent.

    Question still stands.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    (PB: fyi, I decided to offer my opinions on this topic, because I'd written a few posts back and forth with Haphazard about dystopic visions in other authors [Orwell, Philip K. Dick, Bradbury, and Huxley] just minutes before she posted this one.)
    Thanks for providing the context.
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