i found atleast the first record full from youtube, record companies havent removed what people uploaded from european server. I listened few songs and still think the same, its all the same as other pop rock bands like this. Hits ongs were much worse than what i listened from youtube, but still pretty much the same. all songs sound like straight copies of other pop rock bands with little own thing added. imo adding small own things like this to something that people have done too much allready isnt original music.
No, they don't all sound like straight copies of other pop rock bands. You just don't know enough about the production of pop rock to know the difference. They're not unoriginal; you're uneducated.
is that A Fever You Can't Sweat Out some collection of theyr songs? i listened to it and it sounded like totally different songs put together badly(if it was supposed to be one song).
Umm no it's an album. It's not supposed to be one song.
what comes to those other bands/artists, they got nothing to do with this imo. i bet your just looking for different things from music than me and thats why panic at the disco is enough for you. personally i need it all perfect, or atleast near perfect. pj harvey is great, those others i dont really like, but im not saying theyr not talented.
It's totally up to you what you like and don't like, but it's a mistake to declare that things you don't like are bad just because you don't like them.
By the way, you can cut the condescending crap about how PATD is "enough for me", as if I don't listen to anything or appreciate anything in music beyond simple pop rock. I resent your ignorant implication that pop rock is "all I need" because I'm some kind of simpleton incapable of appreciating anything more complex. I derive most of my living from playing and teaching music in a variety of styles, so take your idiotic assumption and shove it.
I don't just listen to pop rock. I listen to a lot of different music from a variety of genres and I studied jazz bass in college, so no, I don't listen to just pop rock because it's "enough for me"--I'm just capable of judging music in context and not declaring it "bad" because it's not what I'm used to.
nah i dont listen to dream teather, theyr talented, but i just dont like theyr music.
im not just into play meny notes thats hard to play together and do it fast music. theres so much more in music than just that. its as much how you play it than what you play when it comes to talented musicians. when your talented you dont have to play hardest stuff that you possibly can, you can play simple song, but the how you play it(right vibrato, how you change to next note, with other instruments in the band etc.) shows the talent.
Then what exactly is it that makes PATD bad?
what people do in studio doesent show much of a talent, you need to be able to really play the music and that means you need to be able to play it live and play it as well live as you do it in studio.
This is outrageously, hilariously, extraordinarily wrong. The fact that you'd even suggests this indicates a complete lack of comprehension of the process of creating, recording and performing music. What a fucking joke!
live jamming/soloing is great thing to show musical talent, because you need to be able to go with the music totally different than with writing music on paper for hours and then finishing it for days. musical talent is really much about being able to do your own thing well allso, because good musical imagination is what good artist needs.
Who the hell writes music on paper anymore? I'd do yourself a favor and quit talking out your ass, because it's obvious to any actual musicians that may happen to be reading this thread that you're entirely uninformed on the topic.
what comes to original music, its not original if you do what others do and add something own in it.
Ok seriously, I would just quit while you're only somewhat behind before you completely destroy yourself. 100% of music, yes ALL music, comes from recombining the same pieces into a different combination--there is no completely original idea. Every melody, every chord progression, every time signature has been used and reused to death hundreds of times. John Lennon, widely regarded as one of the best songwriters of all time, declared that you write a song by taking a song you like and then changing the pieces of it. I guess John Lennon wasn't very original, by your standards.
you can do something way out of the box, that doesent mean that you will be good, thats just originality, and originality doesent mean enything unless you do it good. allso when people make music that others have done before them and basicly copying theyr sound(even if they add something own in them) it sounds hollow since they dont have the creative understanding to the music that they make(that comes thru musical imagination), in other words its missing the soul of the music. im not saying music needs to be 100% original, but it needs to come from your own imagination and if your imagination only contains something that you have heard with little added to it, thats a poor imagination.
If you think PATD sounds exactly like every other pop rock band, you don't listen to pop rock and don't have the tools to evaluate it properly in context. The imagination comes mostly in the studio arrangement, about which I'm 100% positive based on your profoundly ignorant postings here that you know
absolutely nothing about.
never told all pop music is bad, but i do think most of it is, because bad music sells if they offer some feeling that some kid wants.
Most pop music is bad because it sells well? Strike twelve!
funny thing about pop music is that really often the artist doesent even write or mix his/hers own music, this creates kind of a boundarie inside the music and makes it sound soulless(since the artist doesent have the real musical understanding on what hes singing or playing, so hes basicly just copying the song writer)
More inaccurate, ignorant and unsubstantiated garbage. You've just declared all musical performances by anyone other than the original composer to be soulless and irrelevant--I wonder if
the entire fucking fields of classical and jazz would be interested to know that they're all soulless, and that nothing they do contains any artistry because they didn't write it.
even more and even if it was original at the beginning, this soulless sound is mastered in studios and the guy whos mastering it tries to add something in it and tries to make it sound good for cheap speakers/earphones and the resault sounds like plastic carbage bag. but thats no problem because britney spears etc sells enyway, but it doesent sell because its what real musicians would call a good music, it sells because this is what most people(and most people got no idea about music) like.
100% of commercially released music, whether by major or indie labels, is mixed and mastered on a variety of systems designed specifically to sound as good on as many different sound systems as possible.
This is an absolute industry standard, so you've actually just claimed that 100% of professionally released music "sounds like a plastic carbage [sic] bag."
You've contradicted yourself and demonstrated absolutely zero knowledge of this topic enough times now that I wonder if anyone is even still reading. Have you ever been inside a studio? Do you have any idea at all how any of this works, or are you just making shit up to justify your anti-pop bias?
im not saying that pop music reguires no talent, it reguires talent on small aspects of music and much talent in knowing what people want at the moment, not to mention that you need to get your music to people so that they know to buy your music. i cant sing and i dont look like britney spears, thats why im no pop star
Pop music requires very significant talent to be done effectively because it's an extraordinarily competitive market. You're not a pop star because you suck at songwriting.
britney spears might be desently good singer, but her voice is mastered so much in studio(by removing small "dirt"(or what ever its called) from her voice) that it just makes it sound plastic and doesent sound good enymore. or who knows if she can really even sing, you can master enyones voice in studio to sound good
100% of all professionally recorded vocals are professionally mastered, overdubbed, layered, effected, EQ'd, panned and mixed to sound ideal. The modern conception of an album is based on creating an imaginary ideal, not on accurately representing the live show. In the real world today, the live show serves as a feeble imitation of the idealized perfection of the record, not the other way around. Have you even heard a new album in the last 15 years? How could you not know this?
i dont mind people listening to soulless music, but if people cant see that the music they say is the best band in the world is missing the soul, they dont know what music is about, therefore they got nothing to say when it comes to real music.
It's not soulless just because you don't like it, and you're not in
any kind of position to be telling anyone they don't know what they're talking about!
i think i might have missed some essential info out, but i think we can continue from here pretty well too
and im not debating to piss you off and i hope that you wont get pissed off from my opinions
I'm more incredulous than pissed off, frankly. Virtually every single thing you said about writing, recording and performing music in this post was patently ridiculous.
I can't even wait to hear what your definition of "soulless" is!
exactly. and i judge music on more broader understanding, this is why i dont personally like meny bands. and i can judge music from objective point of view, this is why i might think that some music is good, even tho i dont personally like it.
Judging music from a so-called "more broader [sic] understanding" doesn't mean you dislike more music. If anything it's the opposite--if your understanding is really that broad, then you like a lot more music because you're capable of evaluating it in context.
A broader understanding of music is conducive to enjoying
more music, not less. Thinking that most music is bad is a symptom of poor understanding and personal genre bias, not educated enlightenment. How ridiculous.
