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wildcat

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:) Art is entertainment now?

Entertainment is entertainment.

Art is art.
 

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No... What was meant was that this section was suitable to display either art and/or entertainment, not that the two were in fact the same thing.

Notice it said Art & Entertainment, and not Art = Entertainment.

& -------- and

= ------- is/equals
 

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There are various similarities between art and entertainment.
Besides, there is a gray area between the two that is common, plus various misinterpretations on what art is and what entertainment is.
 

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Thank you guys.

Now I get it.
A common playground that is all.

Like creationism and science.

The idea of democracy.
 

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I've never seen why movies and video games should be considered anything other than art. The people who make them are considered artists.
 

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I've never seen why movies and video games should be considered anything other than art. The people who make them are considered artists.
Not every movie maker is an artist.

Movie is a photograph. A photograph is about light and shadow.

To master the art is to master the essence of the art of the movie: the interplay of light and shadow.

Rules

1. Light is used to illuminate the object. To illuminate the object the light must not blind the object with light.

2. Light is meaningless without a contrast shadow.

3. Too much light is less light.

4. Only when a stronger light is behind the object, light can be directed to illuminate the object. Otherwise light must not face directly the object.

5. Shut down the neon lamps.

6. The camera has wheels. Movie is not a still picture.

7. When you shoot be aware of the distance between the camera and the object. A flower is not a mountain.
 

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Context?




We are all artists in some ways. Entertainers in others.
Context.
Why does the blind man profess to see?
Art is to see. To see is to know. To know is to do.

Art is a skill. Entertainment is a kill.

In some ways we are all blind yes. Red is green for the colour blind.
 

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It's kind of disingenuous to suggest they have nothing to do with each other. The best art is entertaining and the best entertainment is artful.
Where do we find a spectacle like that? Have you seen Ingmar Bergman movies? Antonioni? Godard? Fellini? Pasolini? Visconti? Kubrick? Hitchcock?

When you write for the screen do you see how the camera moves?

The dialogue must follow the camera. The camera must not follow the dialogue.

Why do the craftsmen, the artists know this? Why the entertainers do not?

Cinema is not theatre.
 
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Where do we find a spectacle like that? Have you seen Ingmar Bergman movies? Antonioni? Godard? Fellini? Pasolini? Visconti? Kubrick? Hitchcock?

When you write for the screen do you see how the camera moves?

The dialogue must follow the camera. The camera must not follow the dialogue.

Why do the craftsmen, the artists know this? Why the entertainers do not?

Cinema is not theatre.

Look at the directors you've listed as artists. Are "La Dolce Vita", "Breathless", "Dr. Strangelove", "Vertigo" and countless other works by these artists not among the greatest entertainments of our time? Art and entertainment are inextricably linked, and each is at its best when they overlap. Don't limit these guys by locking them in the "artist" box. After all, who makes a movie hoping that nobody enjoys it?
 

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Only "cultured" people distinguish between arts and entertainment. And we all know that "cultured" people are just insecure snobs who want to feel superior. The only difference between artists and entertainers is that entertainers make money while they're still alive. Basically the distinction between the two is a small-minded case of fighting for the underdog.

Cinema is still a very new form of art, video games even newer, and so neither have become fully accepted as such, or at least not in the way theater is.

Theater, on the other hand, has been around since Ancient Greece. To the Ancient Greeks, theater was little more than entertainment -- a chance to unwind. Only with time was it considered an art.

The same thing happened with knight's armor, which was of practical use in its day, but is now displayed in art museums.

I have calculated three basic artforms:
  • High Art is art of the past.
  • Entertainment is art of the present.
  • Technology is art of the future.
In the end, all creations of man will be high art.
 
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Only "cultured" people distinguish between arts and entertainment. And we all know that "cultured" people are just insecure snobs who want to feel superior. The only difference between artists and entertainers is that entertainers make money while they're still alive. Basically the distinction between the two is a small-minded case of fighting for the underdog.

Exactly. They're the type that look at you like you're a baboon when you talk about a television show and then claim not to watch any television "except for PBS every now and then." But at least I understand where that viewpoint comes from. To argue that the more highbrow stuff isn't entertainment is just plain mystifying.

To paraphrase your insight...

Pop culture + time = art.
 

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Look at the directors you've listed as artists. Are "La Dolce Vita", "Breathless", "Dr. Strangelove", "Vertigo" and countless other works by these artists not among the greatest entertainments of our time? Art and entertainment are inextricably linked, and each is at its best when they overlap. Don't limit these guys by locking them in the "artist" box. After all, who makes a movie hoping that nobody enjoys it?
Art is to find the cord.
Entertainment is to discord.

Entertainment is for the masses.
Art is for the patriacate.

Art elevates the spirit.
Entertainment is an escape.

Distraction is death.
 

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Only "cultured" people distinguish between arts and entertainment. And we all know that "cultured" people are just insecure snobs who want to feel superior. The only difference between artists and entertainers is that entertainers make money while they're still alive. Basically the distinction between the two is a small-minded case of fighting for the underdog.

Cinema is still a very new form of art, video games even newer, and so neither have become fully accepted as such, or at least not in the way theater is.

Theater, on the other hand, has been around since Ancient Greece. To the Ancient Greeks, theater was little more than entertainment -- a chance to unwind. Only with time was it considered an art.

The same thing happened with knight's armor, which was of practical use in its day, but is now displayed in art museums.

I have calculated three basic artforms:
  • High Art is art of the past.
  • Entertainment is art of the present.
  • Technology is art of the future.
In the end, all creations of man will be high art.
Yes.
 

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Look upon all the walls in freshmen dorms. They scream with posters from Van Gogh, Monet, and Matisse.

These masses choose these images again and again and take nothing away from the force of the original paintings.
 

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Look upon all the walls in freshmen dorms. They scream with posters from Van Gogh, Monet, and Matisse.

These masses choose these images again and again and take nothing away from the force of the original paintings.

Again, all this high art is just a status symbol that people use to show off their superiority.
 
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Art is to find the cord.
Entertainment is to discord.

Entertainment is for the masses.
Art is for the patriacate.

Art elevates the spirit.
Entertainment is an escape.

Distraction is death.

If you want to write beat poetry instead of engage in a discussion then I guess I'm done here. But I can't leave without making plain that "entertainment" isn't pejorative and art can be found anywhere.
 

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:) It seems to me you misunderstood.

There has not been an offence intended from my part.

A lie never hurts.

Truth does.
 

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Look upon all the walls in freshmen dorms. They scream with posters from Van Gogh, Monet, and Matisse.

These masses choose these images again and again and take nothing away from the force of the original paintings.
The college kids, eh?

The true representation of the masses.
 
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