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Monopoly: Socialism

Andy

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I have no interest in whatever political message the game makers are trying to convey, but I love the idea of making new versions of old games with a core value of some sort. Did anyone else ever play The Game of Life? Your counter moved down the board, going through various rather middle class life experiences before you got to the retirement home at the end, with victory going to however finished with the most money. Yeah, apparently that's the only thing that really matters in life. It even had a system for converting your children into a cash value...

I've occasionally been tempted to make a different version, or even several versions. Perhaps a Gangsta version were you go into a life of crime, picking up bling and piling hos into the back of your car instead of children. Or maybe a hippy version were the aim is a gain karma by doing good deeds. How about a nihilistic version were everyone loses, because you're all dead at the end...
 

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I have no interest in whatever political message the game makers are trying to convey, but I love the idea of making new versions of old games with a core value of some sort. Did anyone else ever play The Game of Life? Your counter moved down the board, going through various rather middle class life experiences before you got to the retirement home at the end, with victory going to however finished with the most money. Yeah, apparently that's the only thing that really matters in life. It even had a system for converting your children into a cash value...

I've occasionally been tempted to make a different version, or even several versions. Perhaps a Gangsta version were you go into a life of crime, picking up bling and piling hos into the back of your car instead of children. Or maybe a hippy version were the aim is a gain karma by doing good deeds. How about a nihilistic version were everyone loses, because you're all dead at the end...

gangsta version would be fun. Do I become a rapper and hope to get discovered, mentored, and produced by an established veteran rapper, to eventually create my own successful clothing line? Or do I parlay my success as a rapper into a movie career, eventually creating my own film company, R Sauce Studioz, producing a string of successful comedies about a bunch of zany characters’ shenanigans at an inner city auto repair shop?

The possibilities...
 

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I agree, it looks less like a game about socialism than it does a game based upon millennial stereotypes and misconceptions about socialism. Who designed this game at Hasbro?

Also, in the video, why does Cenk keep disclaiming “I’m a capitalist” then proceed to describe capitalism in the most condescending way possible?
 

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games are games to me... themes are interesting, but they generally do a poor job of reflecting reality in a meaningful way... has anyone played it? how do the mechanics stack up compared to normal monopoly?

 

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I have no interest in whatever political message the game makers are trying to convey, but I love the idea of making new versions of old games with a core value of some sort. Did anyone else ever play The Game of Life? Your counter moved down the board, going through various rather middle class life experiences before you got to the retirement home at the end, with victory going to however finished with the most money. Yeah, apparently that's the only thing that really matters in life. It even had a system for converting your children into a cash value...

Never played it, must have been before my time. I want to play a board game where you save the world from climate change and fascism. I would call it "Good vs Evil".

I agree, it looks less like a game about socialism than it does a game based upon millennial stereotypes and misconceptions about socialism. Who designed this game at Hasbro?

Also, in the video, why does Cenk keep disclaiming “I’m a capitalist” then proceed to describe capitalism in the most condescending way possible?

I wondered that too. Cenk must be a self-loathing capitalist. He raises some good points though.

Hasbro has been infiltrated by the alt-right.

games are games to me... themes are interesting, but they generally do a poor job of reflecting reality in a meaningful way... has anyone played it? how do the mechanics stack up compared to normal monopoly?

I would play it if they were conveying socialism in an intellectually honest way instead of mocking it.

I'd play it. Looks compelling.

*gives you side-eye*
 

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I would play it if they were conveying socialism in an intellectually honest way instead of mocking it. *gives you side-eye*
As a capitalist by nature myself, I don't mind a good laugh at socialism's expense- though my SO is something of a socialist so I don't seek it out either.
 

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I might like Mixed Economy: The Game but I guess it doesn’t have the same appeal as Monopoly
 

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Glad to see that Target was pressured into pulling this garbage off their shelves.
 

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That's pretty interesting as a reveal of Hasbro's political views. But I'd be more surprised that a big corporate entity didn't value the capitalist system that allowed it to prosper and grow. I think sometimes these people forget that any economic system is built on agreed upon rules and that just because it allows them to prosper over other rules doesn't make it any better or worse.

Straight up capitalism can lead to heavy poverty through companies eliminating all their competition and forming monopolies, if some socialistic control isn't flexed. The US for example (as you probably know if you live there) is a mixed economy, but everyone seems to pretend we are 'capitalist' and socialism = bad. But socialistic government intervention actually broke up a lot of monopolies in the history of the US. They balance each other from getting out of hand, realistically.
 

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Using Monopoly and Socialism in the same sentence is an oxymoron.

There where some socialists who thought monopoly was a stage on the way to socialism emerging almost spontaneously out of capitalism as a consequence of just economic development. Marx thought that monopoly was "socializing" private property quicker than any socialist party, mind you they'd not so much as formed parties and won election by the time he was writing really.

In the US Edward Bellamy, who was a nationalist rather than a socialist strictly speaking but he wrote utopian novels and was egalitarian (his second great novel was called Equality), he thought that there would be an "age of Trusts", ie monopolies, which would give way to the "Trust of Trusts", ie a single monopoly owning the others, which would then require democratic control if it wasnt to be simply a tyranny like the kings of old.

The best socialists knew that this idea of monopoly being a good idea or even just a neutral stage of development in the economy was bogus.

Rudolf Rocker was a syndicalist and an anarchist but he refers to himself repeatedly as socialist too in his book Nationalism and Culture he repeatedly says that freedom and socialism must be the enemy of every sort of monopoly.

I also dont know all the facts of it but so far as I know the guy who invented Monopoly the board game did it originally as a sort of teaching tool to explain how awful they thought capitalism was and how eventually it would become impossible to play the game, they even suggested to drive the point home that people should try joining the game halfway through play when the other players had already built up property portfolios and bought houses and hotels and see how far they got.

There's a lot of people who're radical proponents of capitalism, who love the fantasy version of it (which sure is fun), they've never liked the potential for the game to show the system in a less than favourable light. So stuff like this doesnt surprise. Conversely there is a game, Class Struggles or Class War or something like that, where people play as bosses or workers, which is similar, but was produced by marxists who thought that Monopoly was not anti-capitalist enough.

Its strange that anyone who is for capitalism would attack public monopolies too much as most of the same arguments would apply to private monopoly which IS the dominant shape of capitalism as it exists and pretty much as any economy shapes up to be.
 
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