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    Effective trailer despite not showing much. It looks like the world is rocked and in mourning. Not a lot of heroes left. But the ones who are left, after grappling with grief, are preparing to Do Something.

    (Maybe it's more than just a "futile and stupid gesture" like Animal House, although at this point anything is good.) it is feeling like some amount of time has passed... not sure how much, but it's not just like the Snap happened yesterday. I'm not sure how long it takes Tony and Nebula to get back either.

    Here's the original trailer from some weeks back.





    Note that there are notable gaps between characters in a few shots (compared to the spacing of all the other characters in the frame) -- the guess is that they CGI'ed Captain Marvel out at least until her movie releases in a month.
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    Just saw Infinity War (very tightly written movie).


    I'd say all the build-up was worth it and it worked. I didn't think Thanos would work as a villain ( I don't read much comics so I didn't know what his whole deal was other than the fact that he wanted those rocks), but they pulled it off. I think the MCU is getting a lot better with its villains, hah. I guess it's hard because I suppose they can't use any of the really iconic Marvel villains that everyone knows. Like Dr. Doom, Magneto, or Green Goblin.
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    You know it's interesting how the MCU Spiderman is different from the Sam Raimi one (the main thing I remember about the Andrew Garfield version is that it tried to make Peter Parker guy... he had a skateboard... radical). It seems to me like his youth and inexperience is really played up. I mean I suppose that was an element in the other ones, but you didn't have Tony Stark hanging around trying to keep him out of trouble. His suit is much more high-tech, too; in the older movies, it's a disguise and that's pretty much it.

    I gotta say that I like those spider legs he has in Infinity War; reminds me of Doctor Ock, a bit, although I'm pretty sure the MCU can't use him, although it would be cool to see a fight between two 8-limbed beings.
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    I like the humor in marvel movies, but all of the plot/action/cgi-show stuff bores me to the point of seeing their movies when I have absolutely nothing better to watch. After seeing the trailer for this movie a couple days ago, I finally got around to watching infinity war last night. I don't know how they are going to time travel/paralel dimension everyone back to life, but I can almost guarantee Dr Strange knew what was going to happen with his "one" version of the future in which Thanos was defeated that is currently being acted out, despite having to sacrifice himself and his green rock for the "endgame."

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    Quote Originally Posted by anticlimatic View Post
    I like the humor in marvel movies, but all of the plot/action/cgi-show stuff bores me to the point of seeing their movies when I have absolutely nothing better to watch. After seeing the trailer for this movie a couple days ago, I finally got around to watching infinity war last night. I don't know how they are going to time travel/paralel dimension everyone back to life, but I can almost guarantee Dr Strange knew what was going to happen with his "one" version of the future in which Thanos was defeated that is currently being acted out, despite having to sacrifice himself and his green rock for the "endgame."
    I mean, I'm 95% sure that's what's going on. Earlier he said that he would have sacrificed Parker's or Stark's life for the Stone, and I get the impression he wouldn't go back on that. He said as he was disappearing that "it was the only way" which suggests it was an act of necessity and not a sudden change of heart. It must have somehow been part of the future he saw, although I can't speculate as to how that helps. If Thanos didn't have the Time Stone, the destruction of the Mind Stone would have worked.

    I find I tend to be interested in the more fanciful/speculative aspects of the series. These movies don't give a fig about realism, and that's probably the thing I like best about them. Like the African-influenced sci-fi of Black Panther (which I've never seen before), or the mystic occult portals of Dr. Strange. Although early on, I did like the hi-tech wizardry of Iron Man and the dieselpunk Captain America.

    I found Thor didn't work for me until Ragnarok, though. I just think he's hard to connect with as a character until he lost some stuff. I mean, even Superman is an orphan and outsider. At first he was royalty and an immortal deity, which isn't really relatable. I also found myself not really caring about Loki as a character until Ragnarok. I don't think the character, or at least the movie version, really works as a main villain. He works better as someone who you aren't sure if they are going to be an ally or an enemy, someone that you watch because you aren't sure what they're going to do next.

    I suppose the best Marvel movies have villains that are as interesting as the hero, if not more so. Like Thanos, or the one in Guardians of the Galaxy 2 (maybe someone still hasn't seen it), or Killmonger.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Julius_Van_Der_Beak View Post
    I mean, I'm 95% sure that's what's going on. Earlier he said that he would have sacrificed Parker's or Stark's life for the Stone, and I get the impression he wouldn't go back on that. He said as he was disappearing that "it was the only way" which suggests it was an act of necessity and not a sudden change of heart. It must have somehow been part of the future he saw, although I can't speculate as to how that helps. If Thanos didn't have the Time Stone, the destruction of the Mind Stone would have worked.

    I find I tend to be interested in the more fanciful/speculative aspects of the series. These movies don't give a fig about realism, and that's probably the thing I like best about them. Like the African-influenced sci-fi of Black Panther (which I've never seen before), or the mystic occult portals of Dr. Strange. Although early on, I did like the hi-tech wizardry of Iron Man and the dieselpunk Captain America.

    I found Thor didn't work for me until Ragnarok, though. I just think he's hard to connect with as a character until he lost some stuff. I mean, even Superman is an orphan and outsider. At first he was royalty and an immortal deity, which isn't really relatable. I also found myself not really caring about Loki as a character until Ragnarok. I don't think the character, or at least the movie version, really works as a main villain. He works better as someone who you aren't sure if they are going to be an ally or an enemy, someone that you watch because you aren't sure what they're going to do next.

    I suppose the best Marvel movies have villains that are as interesting as the hero, if not more so. Like Thanos, or the one in Guardians of the Galaxy 2 (maybe someone still hasn't seen it), or Killmonger.
    I feel like the best of the Marvel movies is where it lets actors play enjoyable stereotypes of themselves (Chris Pratt's energetic optimistic doofus, Robert Downy's cocky quick witted condescension, etc). The movies do care about a certain kind of realism, but it's hidden in the comedy. I counted so many scenes that were clearly pandering to your basic boyfriend/girlfriend/parent types, like angsty teenage groot or the hulk's circumstantial impotence. Things that pertain to physics and the various plot devices definitely don't care about it, but it follows a pretty predictable pattern of basic people pandering perpetually woven into a track of 'hero A kicks ass, hero A is now in trouble, hero B to the rescue'- repeat.

    I'm sure that Tony Stark is the one who will be most responsible for fixing things somehow- guessing he MacGyver's up some kind of device that makes it happen.

    Peter Rosenthol sums them all up for me. I've never seen any of the Thor movies, and I doubt I'll ever see Aquaman or Captain Marvel.


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    Quote Originally Posted by anticlimatic View Post
    I feel like the best of the Marvel movies is where it lets actors play enjoyable stereotypes of themselves (Chris Pratt's energetic optimistic doofus, Robert Downy's cocky quick witted condescension, etc). The movies do care about a certain kind of realism, but it's hidden in the comedy. I counted so many scenes that were clearly pandering to your basic boyfriend/girlfriend/parent types, like angsty teenage groot or the hulk's circumstantial impotence. Things that pertain to physics and the various plot devices definitely don't care about it, but it follows a pretty predictable pattern of basic people pandering perpetually woven into a track of 'hero A kicks ass, hero A is now in trouble, hero B to the rescue'- repeat.
    Isn't that part of the source material, though? Didn't Marvel characters always deal with personal problems like that ? That's the way I've understood it, anyway.

    Peter Rosenthol sums them all up for me. I've never seen any of the Thor movies, and I doubt I'll ever see Aquaman or Captain Marvel.

    Aquaman is DC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Julius_Van_Der_Beak View Post
    Isn't that part of the source material, though? Didn't Marvel characters always deal with personal problems like that ? That's the way I've understood it, anyway.
    Not really, though in my youth I mainly read X-Men comics from marvel, so it might not count. Either way it's fine. I can get down on life's easy questions as much as the next dude, at least in short bursts.

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    Aquaman is DC
    I generally like DC a tiny bit more than Marvel (not necessarily their recent movies), but I still probably won't see aquaman for two reasons. Reason one: "Aquaman" yippee skipee. Reason two: that actor Jason Mamosa annoys me for some reason that is not likely his fault.

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    Ten more days in US.

    Apparently there's a 4-minute leak vid out there. I'm avoiding much of the online discussion because I don't care about people's crazy theories (like whether Ant Man is gonna turn Thanos into a Thanus). TBH I'm kinda tired of hearing about everyone's pet theories on this film and GoT Season 8, since most are pretty whack if you understand the story maker's mentality and past practice...

    While I did watch all of GoT in about three weeks to prep for Season 8, I'm only watching a few Marvel films in prep for this. I did Age of Ultron last week, and this weekend maybe I'll watch Winter Soldier + then Civil War and Infinity War. I think that will be good enough in terms of making connections.
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    The retrospective angle is pretty good.




    I wonder if they plan on having just one Avengers (East Coast) or adding in a West Coast version as well. It seems pretty likely at least for the roster that since they've done the set up that Ant-Man and the Wasp would both end up in one of the Avengers groups after, i just wonder remaining cast will be around.

    It still doesn't really address the potential Accords issue either (it was only momentarily covered in Infinity War, right? Where Rhodey hung up on the Secretary right before everyone went to Wakanda?) Maybe restoring half of the planet's population will be considered proof the Avengers needs autonomy? But if it's handled through time travel so the snap doesn't happen? I dunno how they plan to deal with it.
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