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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal12345 View Post
    The state government gave my step-daughter an IQ test to determine her level of functioning. Shouldn't we take it seriously?
    Well, I should have emphasized that online Iq tests should not be taken too seriously as it's not a complete picture of intellect as a whole. Also, although professionally administered IQ tests try to pinpoint multiple aspects of intellect, it isn't necessary proportional to potential because negative conditions such as ADD, Dyslexia hinder the score. Also, those with Asperger's syndrome may score lowish on a professional IQ test (disparity between sub-tests), yet they tend to exhibit pronounced non-verbal intelligence. Yes, it can be positive to gauge where one stands within the academic system so that they will mold/conform to a classroom environment. But if person X scores higher than person Y, it does not necessarily imply that person X is more intelligent than person Y. Surely, within a certain sub-set of intelligence that me be true, but intelligence as a whole is quite broad. The main point was not to hold so tight to such a discrete value.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Avocado View Post
    When you are like me and score extremely high on both linguistic and mathematical-logical subscores of tests like the Stanford-Binet I used to get in Mensa, your higher intellect correlates with a higher risk of so-called existential depression:

    Existential Depression: 9 Signs You're Gifted | Depression Alliance

    The biggest problem is people are too idiotic to help you.
    Although I would say it's not the most reliable correlation.

    I've always scored either average or below on such tests, but I suffer greatly with periodic bouts of existentialist depression and have done from an early age. And I have never demonstrated any aptitude or gifted traits.

    That sucking misery of constantly seeking some point of fixation or goal that can temporarily pull your wandering perspective from nihilism into a driven output, is a difficult one. It's probably something to do with serotonin production and the development of unhelpful habits, or something to that effect.

    This is a bit off-topic though. I've heard IQ has some broadly reliable correlations, but is not an absolute, though there are (or at least I think I have read a long time ago) various life-progressions based on differences in IQ scoring. Though the nebulous nature of people is such that I would always put a determined character over the assumption that relying on a predictive body of information surrounding a (sometimes) narrow subject like this one, would result in the outcomes one aims for.

    For me the more important questions were whether or not I should care about IQ or not and if what I scored bothered me? And if it did, then why? Also was it a worthy pursuit? Or is it just a way for some invisible overlord to try and play master with myself and others?

    It may have been born largely out of an innocent drive to understand and comprehend, and maybe even provide people with a level of self-knowledge for growth (though I have not done the research so don't hold me to this too much), even though there is a huge ego-trap encased in that assumption, but it seems more to stem from a very basic and primal need to control the outcome of otherwise chaotic factors.
    'One of (Lucas) Cranach's masterpieces, discussed by (Joseph) Koerner, is in it's self-referentiality the perfect expression of left-hemisphere emptiness and a precursor of post-modernism. There is no longer anything to point to beyond, nothing Other, so it points pointlessly to itself.' - Iain McGilChrist

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    "Suppose it didn't," said Pooh, after careful thought.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cellmold View Post
    Although I would say it's not the most reliable correlation.

    I've always scored either average or below on such tests, but I suffer greatly with periodic bouts of existentialist depression and have done from an early age. And I have never demonstrated any aptitude or gifted traits.

    That sucking misery of constantly seeking some point of fixation or goal that can temporarily pull your wandering perspective from nihilism into a driven output, is a difficult one. It's probably something to do with serotonin production and the development of unhelpful habits, or something to that effect.

    This is a bit off-topic though. I've heard IQ has some broadly reliable correlations, but is not an absolute, though there are (or at least I think I have read a long time ago) various life-progressions based on differences in IQ scoring. Though the nebulous nature of people is such that I would always put a determined character over the assumption that relying on a predictive body of information surrounding a (sometimes) narrow subject like this one, would result in the outcomes one aims for.

    For me the more important questions were whether or not I should care about IQ or not and if what I scored bothered me? And if it did, then why? Also was it a worthy pursuit? Or is it just a way for some invisible overlord to try and play master with myself and others?

    It may have been born largely out of an innocent drive to understand and comprehend, and maybe even provide people with a level of self-knowledge for growth (though I have not done the research so don't hold me to this too much), even though there is a huge ego-trap encased in that assumption, but it seems more to stem from a very basic and primal need to control the outcome of otherwise chaotic factors.
    Fair enough. You are like one of remedial students--you don't test well, but seem smarter that testing would suggest. I am constantly accused of being lazy and lacking urgency, but I wouldn't be surprised if I have a thyroid issue since I can assure you I push myself to my limit every day just trying to hold my ground and have a safe haven to relax and to one day have a great retirement. I was going to get my thyroid checked November 1st, but will be having it checked instead on November 15th. The massive fatigue day after day for nearly every day kills me. I need more energy to keep my job, since it doesn't look good to miss a deadline--and there is no sympathy for mental health issues. Hell, even the times I've shown empathy or leniency to others its backfired badly on me. The past year, I've made an effort to focus only on my own needs and building my personal wealth and power. I have tried to reserve my help for those that could maybe help me later, and even then, I share my resources sparingly. I'm a nihilistic pessimist who goes through the motions necessary in life to reduce my personal suffering in the long run. However, that doesn't change that life is basically coming into existance, only to suffer briefly then die--unless you are at a level of wealth I will not achieve. I've made it to the median income for my local economy, though-- 50% of people earn less than I do, 50% earn more. I hear above this point, each dollar you earn buys less and less happiness. This means somebody twice as rich as me would not be twice as happy. The person making twice as much income as myself will at most only be slightly happier. I always heard though, that making it to the 50% mark for your area of the world will get you all the happiness that can be rented for money. With wealth mostly out of the way, I suppose the next important thing is health. Health allows happiness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Avocado View Post
    Fair enough. You are like one of remedial students--you don't test well, but seem smarter that testing would suggest. I am constantly accused of being lazy and lacking urgency, but I wouldn't be surprised if I have a thyroid issue since I can assure you I push myself to my limit every day just trying to hold my ground and have a safe haven to relax and to one day have a great retirement. I was going to get my thyroid checked November 1st, but will be having it checked instead on November 15th. The massive fatigue day after day for nearly every day kills me. I need more energy to keep my job, since it doesn't look good to miss a deadline--and there is no sympathy for mental health issues. Hell, even the times I've shown empathy or leniency to others its backfired badly on me. The past year, I've made an effort to focus only on my own needs and building my personal wealth and power. I have tried to reserve my help for those that could maybe help me later, and even then, I share my resources sparingly. I'm a nihilistic pessimist who goes through the motions necessary in life to reduce my personal suffering in the long run. However, that doesn't change that life is basically coming into existance, only to suffer briefly then die--unless you are at a level of wealth I will not achieve. I've made it to the median income for my local economy, though-- 50% of people earn less than I do, 50% earn more. I hear above this point, each dollar you earn buys less and less happiness. This means somebody twice as rich as me would not be twice as happy. The person making twice as much income as myself will at most only be slightly happier. I always heard though, that making it to the 50% mark for your area of the world will get you all the happiness that can be rented for money. With wealth mostly out of the way, I suppose the next important thing is health. Health allows happiness.
    Well I think you've taken a decent, pragmatic approach to the issue.

    The wealth aspect is where I struggle the most. I'm not very emotionally wise and I still maintain I'm not particularly bright (especially in social situations) but I don't possess a great mathematical aptitude as compensation either. So I'm stuck trying to manage what I consider to be the worst of both worlds, and not succeeding very well at either.

    Because good work, with good pay, requires a good level of emotional resilience and the ability to learn quickly and efficiently.

    I'm still persisting though.
    'One of (Lucas) Cranach's masterpieces, discussed by (Joseph) Koerner, is in it's self-referentiality the perfect expression of left-hemisphere emptiness and a precursor of post-modernism. There is no longer anything to point to beyond, nothing Other, so it points pointlessly to itself.' - Iain McGilChrist

    Suppose a tree fell down, Pooh, when we were underneath it?"
    "Suppose it didn't," said Pooh, after careful thought.
    Piglet was comforted by this.
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    I never even arrived at the question of IQ because, ultimately, it doesn't matter. It has no effect on my life or choices. I'm gonna still put myself first and do as I set out to do.
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    IQ is more accurate around the average of 100, and less accurate at high and low scores. This is because IQ is comparative, and as almost all of us are normal, and only a tiny number are abnormal or subnormal.

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