Do you have grit? Is grit really a good thing?

[Tomb1]

Love this
Grit/heart overlaps with determination not success, imo.

I would agree with that. I size up competitors by three qualities: mental toughness, talent/ability and hunger for victory (aka killer instinct). I put grit/heart in with killer instinct.

I am thinking of this one guy. The head was his point of weakness. He had no mental toughness so he made a ton of mental errors. He had decent natural talent and some developed ability. His strongest area was the hunger and determination. That made him an intense competitor. But absent mental strength he would lose his cool quickly and start over-reacting to his opponent's maneuvers, taking it too personal. That would just totally derail his entire game and mental errors multiplied. Opponents were also supposedly getting inside his head. His intensity would boil over into wildly aggressive play. Still, though, he had tremendous heart and grit and could get "hot"...in the zone perform as good as anybody in the world for that short spurt of time. I always said that gave him a fighter's chance at winning...he usually didn't win but on the rare occasion he did it was a show.

 

[rav3n]

I think it's about resilience. Resilience probably can't be taught but it can be learned but I do think there are people who have it, even from a young age.

http://psychnews.psychiatryonline.org/doi/10.1176/pn.47.14.psychnews_47_14_18-a

Resilience might be one factor but isn't the only factor in grit. Resilience ensures that the individual can rebound from setbacks but does not necessarily mean that they'll persevere to end goal. They might change their goal after one or two setbacks and still be considered resilient.

 

[ceecee]

Resilience might be one factor but isn't the only factor in grit. Resilience ensures that the individual can rebound from setbacks but does not necessarily mean that they'll persevere to end goal. They might change their goal after one or two setbacks and still be considered resilient.

Yes, I agree but I was looking more at the taught vs learned angle. I think grit has a better shot at being taught or, at least, observed and copied. I don't think grit and resilience are interchangeable, where as grit and heart might be.

 

[ChocolateMoose123]

I would agree with that. I size up competitors by three qualities: mental toughness, talent/ability and hunger for victory (aka killer instinct). I put grit/heart in with killer instinct.

I am thinking of this one guy. The head was his point of weakness. He had no mental toughness so he made a ton of mental errors. He had decent natural talent and some developed ability. His strongest area was the hunger and determination. That made him an intense competitor. But absent mental strength he would lose his cool quickly and start over-reacting to his opponent's maneuvers, taking it too personal. That would just totally derail his entire game and mental errors multiplied. Opponents were also supposedly getting inside his head. His intensity would boil over into wildly aggressive play. Still, though, he had tremendous heart and grit and could get "hot"...in the zone perform as good as anybody in the world for that short spurt of time. I always said that gave him a fighter's chance at winning...he usually didn't win but on the rare occasion he did it was a show.

Remind me of Marc Marquez. His mental game is on point. Rossi is playing, too but this kind of stuff seems to roll off Marquez, which makes him more of a mind-f*ck for his competition.
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[Neokortex]

IDK

I'm reading a book at the minute, it was written in the thirties, it was called "in praise of idleness", I was skeptical about it too given the title although he's talking about what would be called "time poverty" these days, anyway, Russell says that management and people selling their ideas to managers expand over time and I'd say he's right. This sounds like more of that.

What is that about exactly? How does it relate to idleness?

 

[Grand Admiral Crunch]

I read her book which really is the same she said with a little more info... I only got half way though. Haha not much grit I had I suppose ;p

If you didn't find the first half of the book useful, I don't see why you'd want to continue with it. It's important to me not to waste time on things that are neither helpful nor enjoyable. Maybe single-mindedness can be a factor in having grit.

Sometimes I get a hold of one of these motivational type books, and I read a little and think "I'm so motivated that I need to stop reading and get to work now."

 

[Forever]

If you didn't find the first half of the book useful, I don't see why you'd want to continue with it. It's important to me not to waste time on things that are neither helpful nor enjoyable. Maybe single-mindedness can be a factor in having grit.

Sometimes I get a hold of one of these motivational type books, and I read a little and think "I'm so motivated that I need to stop reading and get to work now."

I exactly relate to that! It's really weird feeling, it's not a simple okay by the last step of reading you get an energizer.

I get little boosts but then I get lazy to pick up the book again thinking it's done it's job already unless someone really encouraged me to read it.

 

[Lark]

What is that about exactly? How does it relate to idleness?

Russell believed that it was crucial that a four hour day be adopted, he suggested that the trajectory of modern work was one of a shrinking pool of actual workers, an expanding pool of managers, perhaps of different ranks or divisions, supervising this shrinking pool and then consultants, advisors, specialists and experts working alongside the managers or overseeing them.

I thinks this picture could illustrate the point:

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Sticking with the example, if none of those people were managers and they were all working on the task at hand it would get done quicker, then everyone could be idle or, as may be a better way of describing it, otherwise occupied than being on the job.

A different author altogether wrote a book called "City Slackers" with the subtitle "workers of the world, you are wasting your time" about this phenomenon too, providing lots of anecdotal evidence backed by research of the amount of people slacking in PR, advertising, public and private sector management.

Russell writes about the leisure classes and the achievements, some of them extraordinary, of individuals of leisure and what he wants, and calls idleness, is a redistribution of time, so that everyone is equally "time rich" and can pursue their passions, benefiting all, eventually.

 

[Neokortex]

Russell believed that it was crucial that a four hour day be adopted, he suggested that the trajectory of modern work was one of a shrinking pool of actual workers, an expanding pool of managers, perhaps of different ranks or divisions, supervising this shrinking pool and then consultants, advisors, specialists and experts working alongside the managers or overseeing them.

I thinks this picture could illustrate the point:

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Sticking with the example, if none of those people were managers and they were all working on the task at hand it would get done quicker, then everyone could be idle or, as may be a better way of describing it, otherwise occupied than being on the job.

A different author altogether wrote a book called "City Slackers" with the subtitle "workers of the world, you are wasting your time" about this phenomenon too, providing lots of anecdotal evidence backed by research of the amount of people slacking in PR, advertising, public and private sector management.

Russell writes about the leisure classes and the achievements, some of them extraordinary, of individuals of leisure and what he wants, and calls idleness, is a redistribution of time, so that everyone is equally "time rich" and can pursue their passions, benefiting all, eventually.

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This all sounds very fascinating. In Praise of Idleness and Other Essays is Russell's book you're referring to?
It's all anecdotal but true that even in a factory setting, it's often the case that someone has to be smarter than the others to come up with an apparently better idea of how to do sthing "better," while after demonstrating it, it all ends up in 1 person doing the job and the 5 others watching or chatting away...
But what did you mean by "management and people selling their ideas to managers expand over time?"

 

[Lark]

For some reason the attachment didn't come through. (failed to be attached?)
This all sounds very fascinating. In Praise of Idleness and Other Essays is Russell's book you're referring to?
It's all anecdotal but true that even in a factory setting, it's often the case that someone has to be smarter than the others to come up with an apparently better idea of how to do sthing "better," while after demonstrating it, it all ends up in 1 person doing the job and the 5 others watching or chatting away...
But what did you mean by "management and people selling their ideas to managers expand over time?"

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[laintpe]

My health issues made college/life hell for a few years. Now that I'm healthy (and driven) classes are easy/recreational. My first degree was in mech engineering-- I'm glad I did it, but it never energized my mind. After each project I remember thinking 'do I really want to do this forever...'. Business/accounting isn't as intense of a workload, but the possibilities (application-wise) make it fun. More than anything I want independence and the chance to be creative-- I think if you figure out what you really want that the 'grit' will just fall in to place. I don't love all of the classes, but I know I need them, so I put my best into each assignment. It is the most fulfilling time I've had in school-world... and I've taken upwards of 500 units.

 

[Tomb1]

I can't picture anybody surviving in the real world without some degree of grit....school people can typically slide by without it. its not sink or swim for them. some teachers even root for students to do well and enjoy giving out As. The real world is dog-eat-dog and less forgiving of self-indulgence ime. Anything I want I have to fight for! Nobody wants to give up anything so even small power grabs turn into a battle of wills.

 

[Neokortex]

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Aaaw, crap, the same error. Maybe it's the best to upload it to a long-term fileshare site?

 

[citizen cane]

Grit is definitely a useful trait. The trouble comes into play when the concept is oversimplified- often grit is both utilized and overlooked when it is used outside of the school setting- think poverty and the resulting achievement gap.

 

[Yuurei]

Haha.

Enough grit to crush my enemies and then some!

 

[Poki]

Why Some Students Fail And Other Students Succeed - Illumeably

I graduated in bottom 3/4 of my class, high IQ. Bored shit outta me. I did just what i needed to to pass. Did much better in college, somewhat more challenging and no homework, so no zeros. No regrets, would do same thing again. I exceed in real life at pretty much everything i try :Shrug:

 

[Poki]

Aaaw, crap, the same error. Maybe it's the best to upload it to a long-term fileshare site?

Fileshare site needs grit

 

[Yuurei]

I graduated in bottom 3/4 of my class, high IQ. Bored shit outta me. I did just what i needed to to pass. Did much better in college, somewhat more challenging and no homework, so no zeros. No regrets, would do same thing again. I exceed in real life at pretty much everything i try :Shrug:

You graduated at the bottom because you didn't TRY. That's the inherent problem with people who are told they have a high IQ.

The misconception of IQ is that it measures intelligence-that's bullshit. It mentions potential utilizing potential requires I a lot of time and effort.

People are tolled that they are naturally gifted don't try. They think they don't have to. meanwhile those who are tolled they are not skilled or special have to work their asses off and will easily surpass their "gifted" counterparts.

 

[highlander]

Why Some Students Fail And Other Students Succeed - Illumeably

I very much agree with what's in that video. I was very competitive with grades in school. 6s are known for their perseverance and yes I have that. I'm also very goal oriented. It can be good if you have the right goals. If you don't it can be like Don Quixote

 

[Lark]

I very much agree with what's in that video. I was very competitive with grades in school. 6s are known for their perseverance and yes I have that. I'm also very goal oriented. It can be good if you have the right goals. If you don't it can be like Don Quixote

I am interested in what's meant, Don Quixote is a good book.