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    Default My Professional Life: Problem, Story, Discussion

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    I have problem in my professional life. I would like to discuss it here. I would be happy if other do care to read this and happier if others gave comments, suggestion/advice to my professional life problem. I did have tried to come up with solution. I have been firstly trying to uncover general principles applicable in professional life. However, I have got stuck on how I as an individual will be able to face it. Studying typology autodidactly and seriously is actually another endeavor, which is part of it. I have decided to bring this problem in this typology forum where the members are interested in the discussion, since I am having a hard time trying to find others in the real life to discuss with. My thread will be containing stories, and may be some theory or principle or policy that I think is relevant in professional life, debatable issues in job problem, griefs (perhaps). You may find the same case in your professional working environment also.

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    The first time I became a professional worker, I worked as an intern in a bank for an Accounting Project. I was so confident after graduation, that I felt I had already understood at all of how company was managed, since I have already studied it theoretically at university. However, A lot of financial theories that I learnt from the university seem could not applied directly to my assigned position. I was placed in operation division of a bank in which it turned out I felt I wasn't familiar enough. Sometimes I even felt that the knowledge that I have learnt was not really useful to situation. In the bank, I was demmaded to deal with with a lot of transaction data (1 year of transactions, but had to be completed within months) that I had to calculate in some financial fashion. I felt the data were too many and it was too cumbersome for me to process manually. I couldn’t just process it manually. Nevertheless, I was not well equipped with sufficient software practical skill of data processing. I felt that, in order to perform the job well, the employee that should be hired is someone who is able to perform such skill. I felt that understandings of theory are not really needed for the job. They need someone who is able to perform data processing with fast speed, using excel.
    But I keep working there for months since, for the reason why I was there working was because of money.
    There was another a paid intern who was very well versed with microsoft excel. With her skill, it was faster for her to process a lot of transactions calculation. She was even asked to teach other intern that had some difficulty how to opearate it, including me. After having been introduced with MBTI in 2014-Now, I have identified her as a female ESTJ. But, Before it, in 2010, I couldn’t even identify what her type was, since at that time, I hadn’t been introduced to the MBTI. I felt that the position doesn't really need vast theoretical knowledge that I had been taught at university. I even felt that the bank for the project only need a high school graduate. As long as they are able use spreadsheet and they have the sufficient energy to process a lot of data, with some short training, they will be able to perform the job. That was a lot of work to do. There was one day, when the intern and me had to go home in arround 02.00 a.m, I could see that she could still smile; what a career woman she is!, while I was exhausted. I felt that I was much weaker than her for the job. When I remember this, I think She possessed the necessary energy that I do not have.
    I wasn't really well versed in using spreadsheet for data processing. Before joining the bank, I was already aware that MS. Exl enables people in processing a lot of data, but I wasn't interested in studying it. However, I do not feel that I regret that microsoft excel data processing skill, with advance command like insert complex formula, pivot table, etc should have been mastered by me before joining the bank. Until now, I do not pursue by learning to have a practical skill in data processing by MS excel although it could mean that it is predictable that I won’t be hired in a bank in operation division.

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    Professing as a Journalist
    I used to be a journalist who worked for an economic magazines and I was required to write report news and articles in economic based topics. In my experience as a research-analyst and reporter for the magazine, I was required to interview a lot of "important person like a CEO" and write based on the interview. To record the conversation, I had to use voice recorder and re-listen to it while composing articles.
    An Overwhelmed “Yes Man” I Had Become
    I had become “Yes Man” that I agreed to finish the additional tasks given but it turned out I was actually overwhelmed and in the end quitted my job.
    When I was working in A magazine, I was assigned as a researcher. But the Editor in Chief told me also to do some journalistic report like attending press conference, writing articles, writing book review. Writing article in journalistic has to be done in hurry, since the deadline is very thight whereas, research has also lots of work to do. I just couldn’t handle both.
    Too Demmanding Boss
    I was unlucky to have a demanding boss, A boss that likes to add more work, when one work has already assigned. He may have felt that because I had already been paid, I was obliged to finish more work. Under a professional contract, we can be judged behaving unprofessionally when we reject tasks, assignments, works, because the employer already agreed to pay us, and we have accepted it as a deal, as a professional. The Boss seemed to never care much whether I, as an employee whether I had been burned out, as he may have never realized it as a problem. I did not stay long (only 7 months) working as a journalist & researcher as I finally quitted. Before leaving the office, I should have said: “boss you asked too much”, but I didn’t.

    Evaluation
    I am not really enthusiastic in work as a writer for a newspaper, a magazine or other mass media like television, radio, since the journalists have to write for their readers while I am only willing to write for myself for learning purposes. The second is that, the time span of journalistic writing are only useful for a short term, while I'd like to create a long term one. I would like to see my writing make a long lasting effect for my reader. It could be academic type of writing. Taking lesson from what I have experienced before, I was not really satisfied with the articles that I wrote for the magazine. If I had to work as a reporter again, I think that I can only hold a reporter-journalistic career only for a short term.

    Suitable Type for Journalistic Career

    The Meeting the deadline problem in journalistic career will be more easily responded Spontaneusly By Introverted Judging Type. The reason is that they don’t plan. May be they doubt that execution will always successfully follow the plan anyway, so planning could be pointless for them. I remember that my friend say that life is just flowing like water. They do not stick to the plan. When water is put into a bucket, the shape will be like bucket. When water is put into a glass, the shape of the water will follow the glass.

    Q: What type of person do I think ideally suitable for holding journalistic career for a long term?
    A: ENFP (Economics, Business Journalistics), ENTP (Politics Journalist), ESTP (Travel, and Sports Journalistics), ESFP (Fashion, Travel Journalistic).

    For a long term career, the Psychological Types that I think is more suitable for holding the career is a personality type with Extroverted Intuition dominant energy functions like ENFP and ENTP. It seems that they are gifted with the intuitive outer world objectively orientated extroversion psyhcic energy. Extroverted Feeler psychic type feels energized if they interact with people. They will be able to work for a long time with people than if they work alone. It seems that they are naturally pay attention to person's word and expect other to do the same. Although I cannot tell just yet whether that the type memory of Extroverted Feeler is verbatim utterance of a person, it seems that they do have the gift of the person utterance verbatim memory. They are able to repeat person words from memory even in verbatim utterances.
    The company that they work for will tend to be satisfied with what they do, as What they write is simply "sellable" at the moment and they are able keep doing it. They tend to attract other companies to advertise as their opinion tend to attract attention of many people. Because business media revenue ccomes from advertisement. Larger attention that they get, should be followed by more ads sales revenue for them.

    Recruiter May have Mistakenly Chosen Me But Blame Should Also be Addressed to Me Since I Accepted the Job Offer
    Previous years ago, I met a person who was only high school graduated that is placed as a senior executives in a market research company. He started his career from cleaning service position in the company. But, recently, he was promoted to a senior executives positions in recruitment. He already assigned to the position when I worked there. The later is a much more respected position in the company more than cleaning services, the position that he previously assigned to. He is able to operate microsoft access, a software who is able to store and retrieve a large databases. When it is applied in Recruitment Management, the software serves as a machine that provides the basis of fact of person spesific that can be used as the basis of basic Administration of recruitment management: Sourcing Candidate, Recruiting, payroll etc.
    Compared to me, who is university graduated, he is much better in operating microsoft access. Therefore, He is much ready than I am when having to deal with person spesific facts. Theory is not really needed when working in such position.
    They may have chosen a wrong person. An example is that tertiary education that is commonly required in big corporations sometimes are not really needed. Someone who holds a tertiary educational degree may not be strong enough in engaging in a job because he/she is simply doesn’t have the correct psychics energy for the job.

    Got Contract as BA but Work as a Translator and Tourist Guide

    The role that was assigned to me administratively while still working at IT consulting was Business Analyst, but my supervisor told me to do another job: translating project documents written in Bahasa into English. They did this because they, Filipino expatriates, couldn't speak Bahasa well. They can only speak Tagalog and English. Actually this role and work was not in line with the role of the Business Analyst given by HRD. If they need a translator, they should hire translators / translators from outside the organization or they use a third party / vendor who works for the company. But, at that time, I played the role first. But this did not continue. My contract ended, in fact the employer has expected to extend "as he Said", but I think this job has a double role: BA and translator. I hesitate to extend.
    An additional Tourist Guide Role
    I was once underestimated my talent of English proficiency, even after, my former boss at IT consulting from the Philiphine treated me as if I was a tourist guide whereas according to the contract, I was hired as an analyst. He asked me to talk to local residents in Padang who couldn’t speak English and translate what they talk to him in the evening. In my opinion, first, It is out of the job description. Well, I Should have charged him a tourist guide fee for the service. Second, It was out of office hours. He should have given me overtime fee. But I was tied with the position given in the contract. How commercial I am!

    Real Estate Broker

    I joined real estate broker as an associate. I was optimistic that I would be able to do the job. The job was physicaly demanding. Majority, it is executed outdoor. As a broker we need to search some clients that wishes to find buyers/leasee for their property. We are not paid based on salary. We are paid based on commission only on successful sales. But, just recently it seemed that the principal who owned the frenchise may be unwilling to extend their frenchise contract. He decided to close the office. But having undergone the work of real estate broker, and learnt psychic energy, I do not recommend it for myself. I recommend it for ESFP, ESTP, ENTJ, ENFJ.
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    Professionalism
    Professionalism bound begins with an agreement between the two parties both the worker and the employer that the former will work for the later for a rewards. It will end by: 1.termination of contract, 2.end of contract, 3. retirement. If both of them have agreed, the professional work contract shall begin.
    Work asked by the employer must be finished by employee. The Work Results of the worker must be acceptable to the employer so that the employer continues to remain willing to employ the employee. What employers want to do is work that is useful for them.
    Employers burden or require their workers to finish the job.
    In an agreement of working professionally, the employer demand that they have to get works accomplished by the professionals. If not, they could assume it was futile to pay the professional.
    When they pay but don’t get the work that they want, they could assume that the money was like paid for donation whereas the initial agreement the person who apply for a job to them was not asking for a donation. Worsely, They may see that the professional is only like a beggar that ask for donation but unwilling to give something in return. Professionalism could be practically interpreted: employer pay but they demand they have to get some work from the man that they pay.
    Volunteerism Vs Professionalism
    Volunteerism is an exact opposite of professionalism. Volunteers are willing to work without taking payment, professionals are only willing to work for agreed payment. They differ themselves in willingness of the person who acts as professional and volunteer.
    Expecting a Fair Comment
    When I used to work for at an IT Consultant, my boss interviewed client employees. There was a his comment that I remember: "that's very professional of you". He say this when employee clients that reports on what work they have done during a particular project period. This comment is interesting. This has to do with the principle of professionalism. Completing the work assigned to them is considered as a behavior that shows professionalism. This behavior is considered desirable and should always be demonstrated by these professionals. It is just the right comment / judgment to say is "that's a very professional !, when a professional worker completes their work, Although Psychologically, client employee may expect more than just commenting on "that it's very professional".

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    Bossy Mentality
    Parties who practice professionalism will care only of payment they make to the employee and care to know whether a Job has been finished. They only care to tell that these list of works are the employee' job to finish, and this is the employee salary, employee wage, etc, The employee finished work will legally become employers. Emloyee will finish it for employers, and then employers claim ownership to what the employee have finished. Employers legally do so, because employers have paid the employee.

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    Employee Potential Competency Issue

    There is a potential problem with this policy. It is possible that the employee who are burdened / required to do something turns out they are incapable of doing it. This can make employers disappointed, because they already expect that the work can be completed by their professionals, even though it is actually not certain. When it turns out it's not, the employer can assume they have paid but don't get anything. They have spent money, but did not get anything from professionals or they may get some works but not as they expected. They are certainly more than compelling to recruit other professionals to hire, and pay for other professionals, rather than paying professionals who are incompetent. When this happens, the professional can lose his job. Employers mean that the money that was previously paid to these incapable workers, will be paid to other professionals who are competent enough to complete the work they want. Professionals sacked won't get paid anymore and have to find another job.

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    What a Professional and Competent House Maid
    I was storytold that a maid that used to work for with our family for 26 years began working since age of 14 (after passing junior high school). I was storytold that she passed junior highschool but she didn’t take her diploma, because she was in arrears of school payment.


    When She used to be asked to sweep the floor, she did it cleanly, mopped cleanly, asked to wash dishes, she finished it cleanly, she asked to cook, her cooking was delicious, my parents where she used to work for must have been satisfied. Having done so, She used to be continuesly asked for work for our family. My mother almost never wants to replace her. She continuously got paid, because she used to be capable of completing the household works assigned for her. Even though she is no longer working for my parents after 26 years, it was because another issue; not because of “performance” issue.
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    Debatable issue: Psychic Energy Presence Is Absolutely Necessary For Any Work
    Energy presence is absolutely necessary to undergo any work whether it is a professional or volunteer work.
    I should be able to solve my psychic energy problem by being able to correctly identify my type and perform related type of work longer than others without experiencing unberable psychic exhaustion and worsely a psychic medical condition later in life.
    In Terms of Psychological Strength, even Man May Lose to A Woman
    Some may provoke that we are man, how could be man weaker than a woman.
    But, In terms of psychological strength, generally speaking, even a man can lose to a woman, in task, where the nature of psyhcic energy is naturally much stronger in the woman than in the man. I was surprised when a woman at 2 am can still smile when I was already exhausting and cannot smile anymore. in my identification, She is An ESTJ. A workaholic woman. With a judging function dominant-introverted sensing, she can decide-decide-decide, take actions, and undergo the decision tirelessly for the whole working hours. In a long term career, she can be promoted to a future executive director, I predicted.

    After Learning Psychic Energy, It is more defitinive which profession is suitable for Me

    It is more definitive which profession that should be pursued having confidently affirmed to myself that I have some knowledge of this psychic energy. It is advisable that the professions that we should be dreamt of are the professions with responsibilities and task are feasible to be finished by ourselves an individual as a professional, without harming ourselves. In my experience, It is not easy to determine the direction of a career. I have to know what kind of work I am enthusiastic in doing and I realize that Knowing the spirit is arguably explained in typology, but it in itself is a psychological topic that may not be easy to learn even we may have the opportunity to undergo the studying.
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    My Goal is to Avoid Psychic Exhaustion and Worsely Psycopathic Condition by Engaging only in A job that naturally need My natural psychic energy
    One of the purpose of identifying and choose a working field that is naturally use the correct natural psychics energy and to avoid unbearable exhaustion and worsely a psychic medical condition of unsconsciously engaging in work which no supplies of natural psychics energy.
    The presence of psychics energy in cognitive and decision making psychics function is the simplest requirement to undergo any work whether it is volunteer or professional work. If no natural psychics energy is present, nothing can be undegone energetically. If the natural psyhics energy doesn’t exactly match, a work will be too tiring to the person, worsely the person may develop psychic medical conditions later.

    Working without Resting Can Be Fatal; an Absurd Way of Making Money

    I heard news that an investment bank employee just died because of over work. I raise question What for undertaking a job that risks the life of the worker himself/herself? When the worker died, his/her salary plus insurance means nothing to him/herself. It is no longer useful, since his corpse can not spend the money for him. The party that takes benefit of the money will be their heir; not the workers themselves. Further, The money cannot bring the dead worker's life back since there is nothing such a soul merchant that sell souls for money in the universe. It is an absurd work ethics for the related employee even though it is undertaken for the sake of responsibility. It is much better decision to resign and try finding another work than risking life for professional work.

    I don't understand the Norm of the responsibilities of the Jobs. I only know after undergoing it.

    I didn't know before that stressing pressure so reporters are located in deadline chasing regularly. I Just found out it after experiencing it. Those who study in journalism / communication science might have known before joining. Those who followed the student press might have known better. But the tiredness depends once again on the psychic energy too. When interviewing, the hassle is in listening to the recording of the interview again. It is Like working twice when interviewing and when listening again to the recording.

    Shock in Professional Life
    I was shock because of I have never experienced burnout before in academic life, I almost never fall asleep during my academic year in classroom. In my short professional years, I experienced burnout even though still I have never fallen asleep in the office.
    I remember that on Saturday and Sunday, I could only sleep for the whole day because of feeling burnout. This is a psychological condition that resembles my previous Hypersomnia in University.
    My interest in MBTI (Myers Briggs Type Indicator) and later Psychological Types partly grows because of this experiences.
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    Company Imposing Code Of Conduct For Employee who Accidentally Fall Asleep
    Company may impose A Code of Conduct (CoC) is imposed on employee that is found to fall asleep in the office. According to CoC, employee cannot fall asleep in office for any reason, any hour including lunch break hour. It is prohibitied. I don't know how hard the sanction is if an employee is found to fall asleep in the office. They could send the employee a first warning letter for indisciplinary conduct.
    But the thing is.
    Working needs energy. Rest is needed to restore energy. We can continue to Work as long as energy is still there. When we are burnout, we should take a rest to recover our energy like, sleeping, etc. Or just rest when tired. But this is not practiced in office workers.
    Office workers, are allowable to get some rest only at 12: 00-13:00. Beyond that we are simply not allowed. The thing is: What if when 12:00-13:00 it turned out that the workers were not exhausted, not starving, they didn't need a break but were told to take a break. When we are tired at 3 pm, we aren’t allowed to take some rest, because we aren' permitted to take a break. This is also practice not essential in the professional world. When already tired, workers are not allowed to take some rest. When we are not yet exhausted, workers may be pushed to rest

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    I have been Wondering whether I am suitable for Head Hunter?
    While studying Jung's typology, I thought about applying to a head hunter, but on the second thought, this job might not be suitable for me. What I expect is that the job demands of Head Hunters must be sourcing: finding candidates they want to offer to their clients. Technically the sourcing that might be done is by a job search website. They must be willing to call people / candidates as my sister was called by the head hunter.
    This is a good type of dominant extrovert sensor. Maybe ESTP, ESFP are more suitable. Actually the type of ENTJ / ENFJ can also be They are the type that many acquaintances / many friends. The type that is popular / known by people. Even if there are psychological problems, they will be able to because they have spiritual intuition. This also seems like a sales job and this can be an entrepreneur. They offer high-level candidates even up to the Chief-level executives (C-Level Executive) usually to be employed to their clients.e
    I agree with what they basically practice
    Recruitment should be in the form of an agency, a separated entity from the company. There are people who are looking for a job. There are employers who want to employ. Between prospective employer and prospective employee must have an agreement on various things. Employers are looking for the right workforce, employees are also looking for the right job. This agency is tasked with promoting the right employee candidates to the company as well as introducing prospective employers to prospective employees. The consideration is that companies can waste resources when the people they recruit cannot accomplish the jobs they want. So there must be a party that assesses who is able to complete the work based on available psychic energy at least theoretically. They can work together with psychopathology clinics.
    The working related problem is very complex.
    This is not just a matter of professionalism but it is also psychological. When people get into certain positions, they can be psychopathic. HRD staff tends to fight for the interests of their employers.
    Suggestion to Professional Recruiter
    Any psychologist that deals with employee recruitment should taken this psychic energy to account, if they weren't willing to encounter high employee turnover. The employee that they recruit may possess academic background but do not necessarily possess the energy required to undergo the work. But the psychologist should be familiar of psychic energy.
    Unidentified Problem in Some Professional Recruiter.

    To my best knowledge, they usually perform are administrative works: background checking, screening based on documents, some Psychological Testings. Well in my experience of finding jobs, The HRDs staffs that I have met do not really seek for Psychic energy. Is there any Jungian psychologist in here? I haven't met them. They looked for competence in the sense of hard skills. They do not to tell that the candidates what are the results of psychological testing, making them unable to compare what they think of the candidates and what the candidates feel or think or believe with the so called Psychologist but actually a behaviorist opinion. Of course, I am aware that they are professionally paid for the companies and they have no obligation to report the results to the applicants.
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    Debatable issue: Advice on Sticking on to Your Educational Background? Should We take it?
    I am already sick of the “usual advice” or may be even worse "half like a coercion“ given by some people that advise to stick on with your educational background. It is not always the case in professional life. In this era of information technology, We can learn many things, especially the theoretical ones (e.g what we are learning now: typology) through discussion in online forum or studied autodidactly with freely available e-books. Learning is not limited to by attending university. Not going to university doesn’t always follow “not learning at all”, since it is possible that they learn it outside the classroom even though it is not formally and officially graded. Therefore, people who do not attend university are not necessarily uneducated even though they can’t show any document of “graduation certificate”.
    In addition, I have been wondering whether university graduate can still remember what the teaching they learnt were? The second issue with sticking to your educational background is that: What if we don’t like your Major? Should we still stay in by looking for the job that calls for the education background? are there issues unaddressed yet.?

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