Help your favorite fetus with Socionics

[fetus]

I really hate to make a typing thread. Again. (Yup, bring out the cone of shame.) But I've been investigating Socionics for a while now and I haven't had any luck. The only thing I'm absolutely sure of is that I'm a feeler. Here are the types that I've considered. I've gotten all of these in numerous tests I've taken. In no order:
-INFj (EII)
-INFp (IEI)
-ISFp (SEI)
-ENFp (IEE)

As a last resort, I've filled out one of the dreaded questionnaires. Keep in mind that I'm not just a random new user (though I welcome all!). I've been fairly active on this forum for over three months now, so you have more to base everything on. I'd appreciate any and all help. I'm already fairly sure of MBTI/Enneagram, but if that's relevant to bring up or ask about, feel free. Without further ado...

Personal concepts
1. What is beauty? What is love?
Beauty and love are all things good and true in the world. Beyond that, wandering into the realm of specifics, it's entirely subjective.
2. What are your most important values?
If I were to narrow it down to four, it would be belonging, closeness, uniqueness, and imagination.
3. Do you have any sort of spiritual/religious beliefs, and why do you hold (or don't) those beliefs in the first place?
I believe in the Christian faith. I don't think a higher power can ever be proven, but I need to know there's someone looking out for me. I would never pressure my beliefs on others; my faith is mostly personal.
4. Opinion on war and militaries? What is power to you?
War is heartbreaking. It's traumatizing, sad, and sometimes unnecessary. We are all human beings, flesh and blood, but we fight each other anyway. For practical reasons, militaries are necessary. Power carries a negative connotation for me.

Interests
5. What have you had long conversations about? What are your interests? Why?
Human personality, my personal experiences, and words of inspiration for others. I'm interested in creative pursuits, like writing, reading, drawing, and composing.
6. Interested in health/medicine as a conversation topic? Are you focused on your body?
Not really. I'm a casual runner and emotional eater.
7. What do you think of daily chores?
Even if I remember them, I don't do them.
8. Books or films you liked? Recently read/watched or otherwise. Examples welcome.
Anne of Green Gables and Stephen King novels. Strange combination.
9. What has made you cry? What has made you smile? Why?
I cry all the time, for better and for worse. My own pain, the pain of others, joy, belonging. I smile a lot as well. Humor, kindness, love.
10. Where do you feel: at one with the environment/a sense of belonging?
I feel the most "belonged" around my close group of friends.

Evaluation & Behaviour
11. What have people seen as your weaknesses? What do you dislike about yourself?
Other people say I'm self-absorbed, overemotional, overdramatic, and passive/passive-aggressive. I would agree with these. My feelings are far too frequent and intense.
12. What have people seen as your strengths? What do you like about yourself?
Others say I'm friendly, creative, unique, and compassionate. I like these traits in myself.
13. In what areas of your life would you like help?
I need discipline and confidence to make my dreams a reality.
14. Ever feel stuck in a rut? If yes, describe the causes and your reaction to it.
I am on-and-off. I go long periods of time with no inspiration. During these times, I feel a lack of purpose or intent in life. Like I'm just living normally. The last time this happened, I made a bucket list and tried to check off as much as possible. The need for freshness and inspiration was strong.
15. What qualities do you most like and dislike in other people? What types do you get along with?
I just want people who are kind, caring, and who can laugh with me. I don't like or believe in "type compatibility."
16. How do you feel about romance/sex? What qualities do you want in a partner?
I have everything planned out--marriage, honeymoon--except for, of course, the practical aspects. I'm not currently in any sort of relationship. All this lives in my head.
17. If you were to raise a child, what would be your main concerns, what measures would you take, and why?
I want my child to feel as though they belong. I want him/her to feel like they can be themselves. I'll never put pressure on my kids. I'd rather have kind and unintelligent children than smart and mean.
18. A friend makes a claim that clashes with your current beliefs. What is your inward and outward reaction?
It depends on the severity. Most of the time, unfortunately, I'm just not that assertive, so I inwardly cringe. However, I'm capable of taking a stand when I'm extremely incensed.
19. Describe your relationship to society. How do you see people as a whole? What do you consider a prevalent social problem? Name one.
I generally dislike society. People as a whole can be evil and corrupt. People as individuals are hurt and complex--so naturally, a society full of hurt people will be broken. We all need healing.
20. How do you choose your friends and how do you behave around them?
I don't know how I choose friends. There's just a connection that I don't know how to explain. I have "my" group of friends, around whom I act silly and odd. It seems that the further out you venture from my close circle, the less exuberant and more subdued I am.
21. How do you behave around strangers?
Strangers generally make me uncomfortable. Most of the time I'm kind, polite, and even. When in a social situation, I'll engage in small talk as a necessity. In waiting rooms, nail spas, or grocery stores (stuff like that), I avoid unfamiliar conversation as much as possible.

Thank you for patience!

 

[HongDou]

I'd strike IEI off the list without a second guess because you don't strike me as Beta or NiFe.

I'll get back to this once I actually read your answers.

 

[Kas]

My socionic knowledge is based on reading websites so I'm far from being specialist

My approach is looking at functions. Your 2 strongest are, as you write, Fi=Ne. I would agree with that. I see more Fi than Ne, but I know you only from forum so...
Anyway you should think about EII /IEE and I would think EII is most likely.

 

[Sunflower_Moon]

I'm nowhere near knowledgable enough of the different MBTI, socionics, etc., types and am still a newbie at it, however, some things you said seem to point to INFJ (EII). Little bits and pieces have some INFP, which may seem strange since INFJ and INFP are opposite, but we all work at different levels and use the functions to some degree. To me, you come off as INFJ though, but again, I'm not very experienced with this yet.

 

[fetus]

Do you guys have any good descriptions of the socionics functions? I investigated the quadras and Alpha is the only one that really clicks. Gamma was immediately off the list, Beta is too competitive, and Delta is too serious/restrained. At least, that's my understanding. None of the function descriptions make sense to me.

 

[BlackCat]

Hey, I just read your post, and I think you are for sure an EII. You absolutely SCREAM Delta to me, despite you thinking of them as too "serious and restrained." Most Deltas I know deny that they are like that, but then their true colors end up showing one way or another.

Anyway, gonna break down your post-

I really hate to make a typing thread. Again. (Yup, bring out the cone of shame.) But I've been investigating Socionics for a while now and I haven't had any luck. The only thing I'm absolutely sure of is that I'm a feeler. Here are the types that I've considered. I've gotten all of these in numerous tests I've taken. In no order:
-INFj (EII)
-INFp (IEI)
-ISFp (SEI)
-ENFp (IEE)

The tests are pretty dumb in my opinion. They ask extremely complex, way too black and white questions.

As a last resort, I've filled out one of the dreaded questionnaires. Keep in mind that I'm not just a random new user (though I welcome all!). I've been fairly active on this forum for over three months now, so you have more to base everything on. I'd appreciate any and all help. I'm already fairly sure of MBTI/Enneagram, but if that's relevant to bring up or ask about, feel free. Without further ado...

This should be interesting then, because I've been inactive for a while and don't know you at all. This will be based entirely off of what I see here, and the vibes that I get. If I don't quote something, just assume that I couldn't get anything out of that statement.

1. What is beauty? What is love?
Beauty and love are all things good and true in the world. Beyond that, wandering into the realm of specifics, it's entirely subjective.

"True and good" = Fi valuing if I've ever heard it. You want to see yourself as beautiful, but this is an abstractly defined word to you. You want the physical aspects, but you also want to be pure, good, and true. Not having a defined standard for beauty (which would be Se/Ti, or Beta) and leaving it up to subjective interpretation points to Ne. I'm a Gamma, and I know what I want, and I know what I like. I don't care about what other people see as beautiful, I say yes or no to things. Betas are similar in this regard. This is where the Ne valuation comes in.

2. What are your most important values?
If I were to narrow it down to four, it would be belonging, closeness, uniqueness, and imagination.

Again, very Fi/Ne. Closeness and uniqueness have to do with Fi, and imagination is obviously Ne. Belonging I would say has to do with creative Ne, which takes the person's perceptions and synthesizes them to make them something else. EIIs are great at social observations usually because of this.

3. Do you have any sort of spiritual/religious beliefs, and why do you hold (or don't) those beliefs in the first place?
I believe in the Christian faith. I don't think a higher power can ever be proven, but I need to know there's someone looking out for me. I would never pressure my beliefs on others; my faith is mostly personal.

Not valuing Se is for sure. Se valuers I notice don't have much of a problem with making their faith known if they are religious, and sometimes take measures to push religion onto others, or to try to change others in this way. You seem very opposed to that. Not wanting to change or control people and being disgusted by it points to not valuing Se, and having an Se PoLR makes sense in this regard.

Also you don't want anything specific out of religion, you just like the idea of a deity being there, something watching you. That's Ne, IMO, being okay with the unknown about something like that.

4. Opinion on war and militaries? What is power to you?
War is heartbreaking. It's traumatizing, sad, and sometimes unnecessary. We are all human beings, flesh and blood, but we fight each other anyway. For practical reasons, militaries are necessary. Power carries a negative connotation for me.

Again, a very large opposition to anything force related. Betas love and/or respect power.

5. What have you had long conversations about? What are your interests? Why?
Human personality, my personal experiences, and words of inspiration for others. I'm interested in creative pursuits, like writing, reading, drawing, and composing.

Again, Fi/Ne.

7. What do you think of daily chores?
Even if I remember them, I don't do them.

No drive to get menial, practical tasks done is typical of people with weak Se.

9. What has made you cry? What has made you smile? Why?
I cry all the time, for better and for worse. My own pain, the pain of others, joy, belonging. I smile a lot as well. Humor, kindness, love.

This huge empathy is pretty Delta NF. Alpha SFs can only really empathize like that if they have directly experienced the same thing, but most of the time they won't put themselves in others' shoes like this. They don't see a reason to think about the unknown like that, in such a serious way.

Also, unrelated to socionics, but I must say I don't think you're a 9, based on just this. 9s aren't as emotionally fiery. We have very primal emotions, but at the same time don't have a problem with turning them off for a day. I would say 4 is a better fit. Also the next paragraph points to 4 quite a bit too. What you said down here is the opposite of what a 9 would say.

11. What have people seen as your weaknesses? What do you dislike about yourself?
Other people say I'm self-absorbed, overemotional, overdramatic, and passive/passive-aggressive. I would agree with these. My feelings are far too frequent and intense.

I don't feel the need to dissect any further. You are very clearly an EII type 4 to me.

 

[fetus]

Hey, I just read your post, and I think you are for sure an EII. You absolutely SCREAM Delta to me, despite you thinking of them as too "serious and restrained." Most Deltas I know deny that they are like that, but then their true colors end up showing one way or another.

Anyway, gonna break down your post-



The tests are pretty dumb in my opinion. They ask extremely complex, way too black and white questions.



This should be interesting then, because I've been inactive for a while and don't know you at all. This will be based entirely off of what I see here, and the vibes that I get. If I don't quote something, just assume that I couldn't get anything out of that statement.




"True and good" = Fi valuing if I've ever heard it. You want to see yourself as beautiful, but this is an abstractly defined word to you. You want the physical aspects, but you also want to be pure, good, and true. Not having a defined standard for beauty (which would be Se/Ti, or Beta) and leaving it up to subjective interpretation points to Ne. I'm a Gamma, and I know what I want, and I know what I like. I don't care about what other people see as beautiful, I say yes or no to things. Betas are similar in this regard. This is where the Ne valuation comes in.



Again, very Fi/Ne. Closeness and uniqueness have to do with Fi, and imagination is obviously Ne. Belonging I would say has to do with creative Ne, which takes the person's perceptions and synthesizes them to make them something else. EIIs are great at social observations usually because of this.



Not valuing Se is for sure. Se valuers I notice don't have much of a problem with making their faith known if they are religious, and sometimes take measures to push religion onto others, or to try to change others in this way. You seem very opposed to that. Not wanting to change or control people and being disgusted by it points to not valuing Se, and having an Se PoLR makes sense in this regard.

Also you don't want anything specific out of religion, you just like the idea of a deity being there, something watching you. That's Ne, IMO, being okay with the unknown about something like that.



Again, a very large opposition to anything force related. Betas love and/or respect power.



Again, Fi/Ne.



No drive to get menial, practical tasks done is typical of people with weak Se.



This huge empathy is pretty Delta NF. Alpha SFs can only really empathize like that if they have directly experienced the same thing, but most of the time they won't put themselves in others' shoes like this. They don't see a reason to think about the unknown like that, in such a serious way.

Also, unrelated to socionics, but I must say I don't think you're a 9, based on just this. 9s aren't as emotionally fiery. We have very primal emotions, but at the same time don't have a problem with turning them off for a day. I would say 4 is a better fit. Also the next paragraph points to 4 quite a bit too. What you said down here is the opposite of what a 9 would say.



I don't feel the need to dissect any further. You are very clearly an EII type 4 to me.

Thanks very much for your insights! This is very helpful!

 

[senza tema]

Yeah, EII. I agree with pretty much everything BlackCat said.

I just skimmed the questionnaire but from what I've seen of you, I get a vibe of gentle disapproval from you when you don't like things that is very EII to me.