RaptorWizard
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- MBTI Type
- INTJ
- Enneagram
- 5w6
- Instinctual Variant
- sx/so
I voted 5w4.
What's his usual instinctual variant? So/Sx?
Well, when it comes down to degree, this becomes difficult.
To some degree, I am all those things that you say a 6w5 is; I would suppose, though, so are many 5w6s.
I've actually looked at some of those interviews (Ken Shamrock and Brian Eno), and Eno is a lot like how I think I probably come across -- Shamrock: not at all. Of course, Shamrock is an idiot and Eno is intelligent, so that might explain a good deal of that. I think Eno has certain mannerisms that are like mine, though. A certain "looking inward", trying to get just the right word, very thoughtful. And I can see why he's a 5w6 instead of 6w5.
I'll check a few more of those out...
I like your reasoning, but couldn't IJ be a 6w5?Of course in the most scientific way possible, I always grouped you and InvisibleJim vibewise. So I went with 5w6. haha
I was actually going to add "or 6w5" lol. IJ could possibly be 6w5 but I have hardly ever had a conversation with him. I just always saw Z as having a similar vibe to him but friendlier and less reactive.I like your reasoning, but couldn't IJ be a 6w5?
i'm not reading this whole thread right now so i'll vote in-post, 6w5 sx for you z
you do seem pretty involved for a 5 though.
5w6 sx/so - "The Mad Theorist." The most mentally intense of all types, a speculative imagination teams up with a visionary intellect to produce an eccentric style that cannot stop theorizing on the frontiers of science, envisioning alternate realities, or predicting the future. Fascinated by the paranormal, the unexplained, the six wing adds a sense of conspiratorial intrigue. They possess abundant nervous energy and are anxious to discharge their thoughts onto others, though the forcefulness of their ideas and sometimes frenzied delivery may overwhem their audience.
6 sx/so contributed by jase
The sx/so Six channels the sx energy outward against their fears in all directions, but they are less aware of their inner anxiety, displaying a truer counterphobic style, and often resemble Eight. Mike Tyson is a sx/so Six, I would say.
which definitely would lean you w6 over w4
My first impression of you was a bit of a stretch...
But upon seeing you interact more and getting to know you a bit better you for sure come off as a 6w5. You are WAY too people focused to be a 5 IMO.
EDIT: On another thought, maybe you should read Naranjo's work and see whether you relate to 5 or 6 more? Or read any real enneagram sources and differentiate between their coping mechanisms and defense mechanisms etc; they are pretty different.
The way you are online seems a bit... subdued and private. Like you have a certain part of yourself that you project online versus how you really are like.
Also being integrated to 8 IS an interesting thought, however constant integration is impractical at best. Integration and disintegration tend to happen in spurts; it would have to be some very specific situations if someone were CONSTANTLY integrated or CONSTANTLY disintegrated. It's along the lines of say, for example, how you feel around your friends versus how you feel alone. They are two different feelings inspired by different things going on. Integration/Disintegration is inspired by things going on in one's life, while the enneatype is a constant within you.
Misidentifying Fives and Sixes
Fives and Sixes are both Thinking types and, when educated, can both be quite intellectual. It is far more common for Sixes to mistype as Fives, but for some easily understood reasons. Of the two types, Sixes tend to be more linear and analytical in their thinking because they are interested in troubleshooting, in prediction, and in establishing methods that can be repeated. Thus, contrary to popular belief, the world of academia and higher education is more the realm of Sixes than of Fives. Academia teaches students to work with advisors and mentors, to cite sources and back up arguments with quotes from authorities, to follow proper procedures in papers and theses, and so forth–all type Six values.
Fives are much more non-linear in their thinking. They are interested in finding out where established theories break down and in developing iconoclastic ideas that shake up structures and established methods. Fives are, generally speaking, bolder than Sixes in their positions and creativity, but also far less practical. Fives feel that they can only trust their own minds to come to conclusions–they believe that everyone else is likely to be less well-informed. Sixes get frantic trying to find something to trust precisely because they do not trust their own minds to come to meaningful conclusions. The difference between them can be seen in the difference between Umberto Eco ( a Five) and Tom Clancy (a Six), or Peter Gabriel (a Five) and Bruce Springsteen (a Six).
I think when it comes to certain topics, there are definitely people who are more informed than I am.
On the whole, though, I do feel there are very few people more informed than me.
Wouldn't one expect an sx/so to be more involved, though?
And I simply do not identify with the "not trusting your own mind" stuff of 6s.
Wouldn't one expect an sx/so to be more involved, though?
This is the description of 5w6 sx/so that made me go "bingo!"
Unfortunately, there wasn't one for 6w5 specifically, and the general one for 6 sx/so was short and relatively useless.
Yeah, I don't really have any doubts about the wing anymore.
I thought your first impression was that I was a counterphobic 6w5...?
Same question as for skylights, tho: wouldn't sx/so be more people-focused?
Yeah, I think this is the necessary next step.
What would be your top three recommendations?
Would that strike you as more of a 5 or a 6 thing to do?
I sound far more like a 5 based on the above.
At the bolded parts especially, I sound more like the 5.
At the underlined parts, the one thing I will say that does not fit me about the 5 is that I don't always think I'm better-informed.
I think when it comes to certain topics, there are definitely people who are more informed than I am.
On the whole, though, I do feel there are very few people more informed than me.
And I simply do not identify with the "not trusting your own mind" stuff of 6s.
Do I doubt things? Yes. Almost intentionally. I was trained to do so.
But am I incapable of trusting my own mind? No. Not at all.
In fact, I find my own mind pretty fucking fantastic.
ETA: And yes, I understand the considerable irony of this post.
Basically what I was saying is that e6 is kinda confusing because you are dealing primarily with phobic descriptions online. Like that bit you underlined from above...that is a phobic trait. Counterphobia is a whole different ball-game.
In the end I don't really know what you are...but I voted 6w5 as that would be my best guess. What may seem like 'e8 intergration' (to you and others?)...looks like e6 counterphobia to me.
If you are the Enneagram Type 5 with the 6 Wing, you desire to appear intellectual. You see yourself as changeable, receptive, careful, whimsical and trustworthy.
If you are the Enneagram Type 6 with the 5 Wing, you desire to appear remote. You see yourself as faithful, knowing, intelligent, refined, real and brave.
Thanks for the feedback everybody.