Mal12345
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- MBTI Type
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- Enneagram
- 5w4
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- sx/sp
This will be a worthwhile personality analysis since it focuses on traits in an attempt to derive a type.
To make it easier and more interesting, I'll divulge the three Hornevian types as they correlate with Enneagram types + wings.
1w9 - compliant with withdrawn
1w2 - double compliant
2w1 - double compliant
2w3 - compliant with aggressive
3w2 - aggressive with compliant
3w4 - aggressive with withdrawn
4w3 - withdrawn with aggressive
4w5 - double withdrawn
5w4 - double withdrawn
5w6 - withdrawn with compliant
6w5 - compliant with withdrawn
6w7 - compliant with aggressive
7w6 - aggressive with compliant
7w8 - double aggressive
8w7 - double aggressive
8w9 - aggressive with withdrawn
9w8 - withdrawn with aggressive
9w1 - withdrawn with compliant
These types with wing correlations were extracted from Don Riso's book Personality Types.
Karen Horney didn't distinguish sub-types of withdrawn, compliant, and aggressive types. But it's obvious from the list above that Riso had already found the Hornevian sub-types. So the problem for any interested parties is how to apply the distinction. This can be done through self- and other-analysis of observable personality and behavioral traits. This may also be a useful way to determine enneagram types more easily.
By the way, Karen Horney's seminal work, "Our Inner Conflicts," is available as a free download if you know where to look online, and if you're interested in reading a detailed exposition of her typology.
Tritypes brings even more complexity to the Hornevian triad. In that system I am a triple withdrawn type - although my type 6 score, the other wing, has been rising due to my effort at adjusting to new environmental/social factors.
My wife is ISFP 9w8 962. This will be one of the most conflicted of all e-types. When I first met her I noticed she was conflicted between motivations, caught in indecision between staying with family (962) and going out to party (8). If her 6 has a 7 wing (which it does), then there is a conflict with the "aggressive" 7, another type motivated to party.
And no, I'm not saying that every 7 and 8 likes to party, since there is a distinction between having a desire and acting upon it. A person can feel motivated to party and yet not party. That's a distinction usually not made by typologists because much of their thinking is limited by the term "stereotyping" which is a catch-all for saying "I disagree with you because - I don't know - stereotypes." Or it is controlled by other such buzzwords that serve as a superficial, static value-system which acts as a buffer to disguise their aggressive feeling-states as being intellectual instead.
You may have an SO who is double aggressive like my ESFP step-daughter. The double aggressive types correlate with 8w7 and 7w8. She is probably the latter. Her life can be summed up with the following statement: "I want what I want when I want it." This is not a self-contradicted type at all, unlike with her mother. Fortunately, it is controlled by her disability which limits her in having her intense and insatiable physical/emotional needs met immediately. But this has a silver lining that she can't understand: if it wasn't for her disability she would either be dead or a slave of human traffickers. If I were to tell her something like that, she wouldn't disbelieve it, she would simply say "I don't care." Because when you live for the moment, and that's all you have, then nothing else matters.
These types are not uncommon at all. I met a woman online whose motto, typically for the type with a wild lifestyle, was "you have to die some time." And she did die at the age of 35.
To make it easier and more interesting, I'll divulge the three Hornevian types as they correlate with Enneagram types + wings.
1w9 - compliant with withdrawn
1w2 - double compliant
2w1 - double compliant
2w3 - compliant with aggressive
3w2 - aggressive with compliant
3w4 - aggressive with withdrawn
4w3 - withdrawn with aggressive
4w5 - double withdrawn
5w4 - double withdrawn
5w6 - withdrawn with compliant
6w5 - compliant with withdrawn
6w7 - compliant with aggressive
7w6 - aggressive with compliant
7w8 - double aggressive
8w7 - double aggressive
8w9 - aggressive with withdrawn
9w8 - withdrawn with aggressive
9w1 - withdrawn with compliant
These types with wing correlations were extracted from Don Riso's book Personality Types.
Karen Horney didn't distinguish sub-types of withdrawn, compliant, and aggressive types. But it's obvious from the list above that Riso had already found the Hornevian sub-types. So the problem for any interested parties is how to apply the distinction. This can be done through self- and other-analysis of observable personality and behavioral traits. This may also be a useful way to determine enneagram types more easily.
By the way, Karen Horney's seminal work, "Our Inner Conflicts," is available as a free download if you know where to look online, and if you're interested in reading a detailed exposition of her typology.
Tritypes brings even more complexity to the Hornevian triad. In that system I am a triple withdrawn type - although my type 6 score, the other wing, has been rising due to my effort at adjusting to new environmental/social factors.
My wife is ISFP 9w8 962. This will be one of the most conflicted of all e-types. When I first met her I noticed she was conflicted between motivations, caught in indecision between staying with family (962) and going out to party (8). If her 6 has a 7 wing (which it does), then there is a conflict with the "aggressive" 7, another type motivated to party.
And no, I'm not saying that every 7 and 8 likes to party, since there is a distinction between having a desire and acting upon it. A person can feel motivated to party and yet not party. That's a distinction usually not made by typologists because much of their thinking is limited by the term "stereotyping" which is a catch-all for saying "I disagree with you because - I don't know - stereotypes." Or it is controlled by other such buzzwords that serve as a superficial, static value-system which acts as a buffer to disguise their aggressive feeling-states as being intellectual instead.
You may have an SO who is double aggressive like my ESFP step-daughter. The double aggressive types correlate with 8w7 and 7w8. She is probably the latter. Her life can be summed up with the following statement: "I want what I want when I want it." This is not a self-contradicted type at all, unlike with her mother. Fortunately, it is controlled by her disability which limits her in having her intense and insatiable physical/emotional needs met immediately. But this has a silver lining that she can't understand: if it wasn't for her disability she would either be dead or a slave of human traffickers. If I were to tell her something like that, she wouldn't disbelieve it, she would simply say "I don't care." Because when you live for the moment, and that's all you have, then nothing else matters.
These types are not uncommon at all. I met a woman online whose motto, typically for the type with a wild lifestyle, was "you have to die some time." And she did die at the age of 35.