NTPs don't blurt things out because they're compelled to. They do it because they don't see the advantage to holding back. It's not that they CAN'T consider other people's feelings--they can--it's just that they don't care. I'd bet that if NTPs tried to hold the group together, they could do a better job than NFPs, ergo, they possess more skill, albeit less motivation to demonstrate the skill.
I would posit that an NTP would thrive in an authentic relationship whereas an NFP would do better in an inauthentic relationship.
In my experience, this isn't the case. The NFPs that I know think they know themselves, and say they do, but I question whether they really do.
Joining the peacecorp
Carry on, blatantly ignoring that functional attitudes don't determine overt behaviors.
^ To an extent, yes, the whole competition concept is flawed because the types are not about strengths or behaviors.
But it is very difficult to discuss types without straying into the realm of strengths.
Also, NTPs are better at not shouting "troll!" at any debating/competing thread...
NTPs are better at trolling, have to give it to you guys. you're funnier about it.
okay, you asked for it
1) fighting passionately for their convictions (Joan of Arc)
2) appreciation of art and beauty (large number of NFP artists, performers and musicians)
3) seducing the opposite sex (Casanova)
4) better fashion sense overall (large number of NFP fashion designers)
5) inspiring people (
6) knowing one's self (Fi deals with this thoroughly)
7) musical performance (disproportional number of NFP singers)
8) a more indivualistic set of values (again, Fi as opposed to Fe group values)
9) better F/T balance (can't prove this one, just observation)
10) better with children and pets (personal experience and observation. can't exactly prove this one either)
back to ENFP side
So what exactly is the skill here? Affecting change? I'm not sure passionate fighting is a good tool for that. I would bet that most if not all the NFPs that you're thinking about got executed or assassinated. Amirite?
Your examples are of people who create art rather than appreciate art, and even then, we could get into a debate about whether they're really making art or just hanging up urinals. But let's say you were talking about "sensitivity to art." I'm not sure NFPs will win that, and, it's very hard to quantify, if not define. If you want to try, go for it.
Nah. NTPs will seduce you slowly and for years to come. NFPs will seduce you faster, but you'll get over it sooner when you start getting tired of their obsessions and habits.
Male or female? This might be determined by gender rather than personality.
They may just be inspiring people who are similar to them who share their values, in which case they're not really inspiring at all, just calling attention to what the people already believe. It's more impressive to inspire someone who doesn't already think like you do. I'm too tired to think of examples, but I don't think NFs have won here.
Complex subject, but I think it's a tie at best.
Says who? What about quality? How is this different from artistic appreciations, above?
Disagree. A mature NTP will have his values worked out. It's not as rare as you think.
You haven't proven any of them!
Bullshit, I'm the fucking dog whisperer.
edited for moar.
- calmly and kindly present the opposite side of a debate topic they take a clear stance on
a major weakness of NTPs, ime, is their inability to deal neutrally with issues they have strong opinions about. they are quick to put down and quick to shut out those who do not agree with them.
- deal equally with people who are less mentally quick
the NTPs i know tend to have a "mental standard" you are expected to meet, or they do not deign that you are worth their time. or, at the very least, they will treat them quite differently than the people they consider to be up to their standards.
- understand how their emotions are affecting others
along the same lines, i don't think NTPs are particularly adept at understanding emotions, because much of their skill is in making decisions without emotional influence. unfortunately, they seem to forget that others are impacted by their emotions, even if they are not.
- compliment others
seriously it's like getting blood from a stone.
- smile genuinely when they are displeased
i said genuinely, ENTPs, stop smirking.
- not cry when someone completely dismantles one of their pet theories
as for a challenge, if we were together in person, i would stage this competition:
- given 5 minutes to talk 1-on-1, who makes (test subject) feel more understood?
i think that given the sheer range of intragroup difference, there will be many NTPs who can perform up to the strengths of NFPs. by the same token, there will be many NFPs who can perform up to the strengths of NTPs. our personality types are a preference, after all, not a capacity. they make us more statistically likely to be better at certain things, but they do not guarantee any results.
since you're requesting proof (by which i assume you mean examples, because there's no way we can actually prove these things) from us, i would ask for "proof" of this from you.
Hmmmm