RaptorWizard
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proof.
I fail to see what this proves if anything.
proof.
I fail to see what this proves if anything.
I fail to see what this proves if anything.
could the critique of vagueness be partly a critique of your ability to read it?
Carl Jung typed himself as an ISTP.
You have got to love a theory which is so vague, that people can confidently "type" the founder of said theory, completely AGAINST HIS OWN TYPING OF HIMSELF, some centuries after his death, based on a personal hunch.
L.O.L
Well...you see, the type is nothing static, it changes with the course of life....but I most certainly was characterised by thinking, or I thought, from early childhood on and...I had a great deal of intuition too and I had a definite difficulty with feeling...and my relationship to reality...was not particularly brilliant, I was often at variance with the reality of things.
I actually have no problem with Carl Jung being ISTP.
But he does contradict himself.
Watch this video from 8:42 :
Carl Jung identified as ISTP.
Proof:
The Case for ISTP
However, there is a manuscript prepared in 1926, published in English as Analytical Psychology: Notes of the Seminar Given in 1925. Here Jung identifies as another type:
As a natural scientist, thinking and sensation were uppermost in me and intuition and feeling were in the unconscious and contaminated by the collective unconscious. [Princeton University Press 1991 edition, p. 69]
source - http://www.celebritytypes.com/blog/2012/02/jung-identified-himself-as-both-intp-and-istp/
INTP
It sounds like you are inventing explanations and reasonings of want you want to believe rather than what is actually true since you are probably just like, "Oh I'm INTP and I like Carl Jung so therefore we must be the same type!" Of course I could be a hypocrite since I accused him of being ISTP but the evidence favors me since the source which has high credentials says it means he is identifying as ISTP.
"I most certainly was characterized by Thinking … and I had a great deal of iNtuition, too. And I had a definite difficulty with Feeling. And my relation to reality was not particularly brilliant. … I was often at variance with the reality of things. Now that gives you all the necessary data for diagnosis."
-interview of jung
his relation to reality not being particularly brilliant obviously means not using Se, especially not as dom or aux. also notice how he expressed his F being lower than S.
in the quote you mentioned, he is talking himself as a scientist, so it might mean that he was using his S and T most in the scientist aspect of him, he did after all make his discoveries by looking 'what is' inside(Si) of himself and creating an subjective rationalization to it(Ti), then he went to look at how it fits the big picture around him etc, which indicates to Ne. N is an unconscious function and inferior is contaminated by the collective unconscious the most.
Who says SP's are realistic? Do you know any!? Some of the most unrealistic people I know are SP.
Honestly,it is funny that based on one paragraph, you know more about him than the man itself who also happens to have founded the theory.
And rather than think he may have worded one paragraph badly. You take that paragraph above all the rest of his claims about himself.
Completely illogical.
that post isnt worthy of other comments than
not to mention that jung thought that your secondary function can change, nowadays we dont see typology that way(and research in big 5 has confirmed that personality doesent vary all that much). how ever, one can get in dom/tert "loops" or get obsessed with their tert for other reasons(jung thought that in order to get to inferior, you would need to have a battle between aux and tert, in which tert is strengthened), which could potentially make you look as if your tert was your aux, especially to someone who is just figuring out and pioneering the system.
Just to show you one example of your confirmation bias:
The exact same logic above, could be used to believe that when he described himself as "unrealistic", he was describing a time in which he was in a Ti-Ni loop. If you were so inclined to interpret the argument that way.
However you choose to interpret him only in the way which suits your pre-defined belief.
Why are people so keen to believe that an xNxP can be in a Ji-Si loop, but never believe that an xSxP can be in a Ji-Ni loop? You always hear the former referenced, but never the latter.
This MBTI theory is often just an excuse for a mass group exercise in mental masturbation.
he never said to be unrealistic
"I most certainly was characterized by Thinking … and I had a great deal of iNtuition, too. And I had a definite difficulty with Feeling. And my relation to reality was not particularly brilliant. … I was often at variance with the reality of things. Now that gives you all the necessary data for diagnosis."
-interview of jung
and i never claimed him to be unrealistic, and maybe i should add that i dont think N equals unrealistic(since you probably deduced that i do) and S equals realistic.
the fact that he says on a video that his N > S, you cant deny.
if you want a proper reply, prove that you are worthy of it.
Quote from the video which you yourself posted:
Fine, but then what is your basis for this claim you made?:
Who said I want a reply? If you can make your case coherently you will do so, if not, you won't...it's the same to me!