When did I ever say Ti users are incapable of putting together sentences and paragraphs? They do, but they are usually concise about it.
Before this forum existed,
a fair number of INTPs came to the conclusion he was INTJ. We got so tired of reading his lists (yeah, he wrote a lot of lists) that we moved them all into
one thread.
He starts with a conclusion. The end is always in sight. This is common of primary Ni users. He makes it worse by never deviating from the conclusion no matter how much evidence is brought in opposition. Many immature INTJs do this. They cling to their precious conclusions like drowning men cling to a life preserver. Everything goes to this end. He then builds his arguments to support this conclusion. He lays all this out in copious detail, even detail that could be discarded. This is Te, building the framework to support the conclusion. Good Te users learn to remove the extraneous info, he has not yet.
Extraverted thinking lays out the entire line of reasoning. This is why it is external - all the workings are laid out. Introverted thinking is done internally. What is finally exposed is the boiled down essence of that thinking. NOT the entirety.
I read dozens, how many do I have to read?
I took a sentence from the description.
Here is the full description:
"Introverted Thinking often involves finding just the right word to clearly express an idea concisely, crisply, and to the point. Using introverted Thinking is like having an internal sense of the essential qualities of something, noticing the fine distinctions that make it what it is and then naming it. It also involves an internal reasoning process of deriving subcategories of classes and sub-principles of general principles. These can then be used in problem solving, analysis, and refining of a product or an idea. This process is evidenced in behaviors like taking things or ideas apart to figure out how they work. The analysis involves looking at different sides of an issue and seeing where there is inconsistency. In so doing, we search for a “leverage point” that will fix problems with the least amount of effort or damage to the system. We engage in this process when we notice logical inconsistencies between statements and frameworks, using a model to evaluate the likely accuracy of what’s observed."
Nothing that follows that first sentence changes its meaning.
This is quite interesting.
Extroverted Thinking is primarily concerned with practical applications of reasoning more so than for reasoning in its own right. A General or a Business executive can serve as a representative of an Extroverted Thinker. His ideas are means to the end of achieving a practical goal. A philosopher or a scientist as a representative of an Introverted Thinker, he is chiefly concerned with the truth irrespectively of the practical applications.
It is indeed the case that the Extroverted Thinker's process is externalized and therefore observable by all. However, unlike the Introverted Thinker he tends not to be very interested in nuances of thought. He does not want to explore the problem in thorough detail as this is not necessary for the practical applications of his ideas that he seeks out.
So what we get in a nutshell is the following: you are more likely to see an Introverted Thinker write very detailed arguments because he is concerned with every last nuance of his thought. Especially with the cogency of his reasoning. The Extroverted Thinker is less concerned with the nuance of thought and cogency of reasoning, hence is more likely to work out only the very basic problems and focus primarily on the conclusions, because conclusions are most relevant to the practical applications of ideas.
You seem to be confusing the two important notions of 'detail' which need immediate clarification.
This is the kind of detail the INTJ is concerned with. Proper instructions on how to implement plans. Proper presentation. (E.G accurate bar graphs, charts, lists, etc. If he were a mathematician, he would insist that all the lines and graphs are drawn meticulously with a ruler, if your hand slips and the line skews downwards, he would insist that you redraw this.)
This is the kidn of detail that the INTP is concerned with. As it has been earlier established, the Introverted Thinker is concerned with every last nuance of thought and will work out his reasoning to meticulous detail to make sure it is as accurate as possible. He will make sure that all terms are very clearly defined as well as accurate and will provide long chains of reasoning to make sure that they are clearly defined and accurate.
Very often you see INTP philosophers like Hegel, Heidegger and Spinoza, or even ENTP philosophers like Hume and Russell make a proposition and then pontificate for another 5 pages arguing why this proposition is sound.
The thought process of the Introverted Thinker is internal and that of the Extroverted Thinker is external. However, once again, the Introverted Thinker, when forced to argue a point will need to ensure that his arguments are well supported (which means going through a long and tedious reasonign process) that he shall be forced to put out in the open. The Extroverted Thinker on the other hand does not have the aptitude for such rigorous reasoning, at least not nearly as much. When he shall be asked to prove his point, he will not pontificate for 5 pages with long chains of reasoning, he will merely state the facts, appeal to an authority, point out what may appear to be empirical evidence, or in short give a practical reason to believe in his case.
Practical applications is the key term. The Extroverted Thinker will not be interested in working out his problems in great detail because he lacks the interest in theoretical reasoning which is the defining trait of the Introverted Thinker.
Both the Introverted Thinker and the Extroverted Thinker have their conclusions in mind always. This is the case because both faculties are judging functions. This is often more noticeable with the Extroverted Thinker because he is more expressive of his judging mindset and passes judgment on more things than his introverted counterpart. (As Jung famously notes the Extrovert proliferates and the Introvert conserves. The Extrovert will apply judgment to as many things as possible, whilst the Introvert to only a few).
The Introverted Thinker will not have conclusions in mind concerning most things because he has not thought about them much. However, he will be just as rigid and often more rigid and conclusion focused than the Extroverted Thinker when the discussion concerns the few things he has thought about in great detail.
There is no reason to associate 'decisiveness, or focus on conclusions' with the Extroverted Thinker and not with the Introverted Thinker. It is without a doubt the case that 'decisiveness and focus on conclusion' is a 'J' characteristic. J is a code for 'judgment'. Both Introverted Thinking and Extroverted Thinking are faculties of Judgment.
We must take note again of the aforementioned distinction between the two notions of 'detail'. Both Judging types, the Introverted Thinker and the Extroverted Thinker are concerned with detail. First and foremost because as Thinkers they are logicians, this requires accuracy of thought. The Extroverted Thinker is an implementor. As I said before, if he were a mathematician he'd be first and foremost concerned that the numbers are written in their proper space and that the lines are drawn neatly. The Introverted Thinker would make sure that all the problems are worked out as clearly as possible in every detail.
Because of the nature of Extroversion of the Extroverted Thinker he will be concerned that the details of implementation are worked out properly. As aforementioned, he would make sure that all the instructions are stated clearly, and that all things are done to make sure that the plan is carried out properly. Because of this he will not be concerned with working out his thoughts in great detail, this is not necessary for sound implementation of plans. It is a distraction from the necessary practical instructions. This is another reason the Extroverted Thinker will not present his thoughts in great detail. (In addition to the few already mentioned).
My lists were concerned not with the detail concernign practical instructions or any implementable plan. They were concerned with the detail of working out abstract problems.
If they were concerned with Te detail, there would be very detailed instruction concerning practical applications of knowledge of typology. A Te, as an extrovert, does not loose his audience. His reasoning is always in tune with practical intellectual concerns of others. My details were concerned with strictly ideas irrespectively of practical intellectual concerns of others. As has been mentioned before. NTP philosophers have been painstalkingly thorough at prooving their point. Bertrand Russell's Principia Mathematica stretches for over a thousand pages of detailed proofs in an attempt to support his basic axioms. As Liquid Laser has maintained, there are many books written by Ti philosophers stretching for over a thousand pages. Just as rigid and detailed Te is about implementation of plans, Ti is the same way about their theoretical conception.
Liquid Laser was also correct to point out that me sharing the whole thought process is indicative of lack of sound Ne functioning. ENTP philosophers like Hume and Russell were less thorough with their proofs because the extrovert in them made them in tune with the sensibilities of others. They realized that their audience is not interested in the very detailed working out of their proofs. They realized that they could make a point without making it clear that the reasoning is impeccable. However, the Ti in them still seduced them into tedious elaborations of thought. Now, on one hand we have the INTP who is all about integrity of thought and almost no consciousness of presentation and on the other the ENTP who is mostly this way, but a little less so because he is more conscious of presentation. The Te is most conscious of presentation and even if he could (which he usually cannot) present work out his thoughts in great detail, he would not because he clearly knows his audience is not interested in this.
To all this we should add that Macguffin's claim that having conclusions in mind is indicative of Ni is false. The reason for this is that Ni is a perceiving function. It is more judicious than Extroverted perceiving functions by virtue of introversion (introvert unconscious focuses on things of his interest instead of all things around him, hence Ni, unlike Ne focuses on ideas and perceptions of interest to himself, as opposed to all ideas. Hence it conduces to a small degree to having conclusions in mind, but only indeed a very small. The deciding factor in having conclusions in mind and not having them is Judgment. This applies to both Ti and Te.