Vilku
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I'd like to see some kinda statistical data to back up your rape conclusions one way or the other. As it stands, this statement is almost comical. A spectacular leap in very basic reasoning.
Do you suppose it's possible you're imposing your own sense of subjective relevance onto people who may simply have different values compared to your own?
UMM..
let me just make it clear: i analyze them as a person, i analyze their potential, i analyze _them_, not my own stuff. if i can see that person A is stuck repeating activity C, because hes not using function D, then i tell them what they are doing wrong and how they could do better.
or if they just otherwise have beliefs that i know to be impartial, then i explain the more likely explanation that explains their impartial understanding of something.
I've survived sexual assault, in the past, among other things, incidentally (I can't/won't speak for anyone else who has experienced that). No it shouldn't have happened. However, I was talking about perspectives in of themselves, not the actions. The two are separate, but can run in tandem, of course. I am aware some people are simply fucked up- their distorted thinking/emotional reactions/impulses are beyond their sense of control, perhaps, & absolutely beyond mine. Acting on those thoughts/feelings, however, is a choice- & I do hold them responsible for their actions. They're free to think & feel as they like, for I am not qualified to repair damaged people, nor am I qualified to police the psyche of fellow humans.
The default freedom of perception I pointed out- and the personal responsibility for wrongdoings you're now focusing on, are two separate concepts. People don't "have to" care about others. Many don't, and I accept that as a reality. However, not all of them will act in callous ways because they are aware of consequences for their actions (not to mention, not all less-empathetic people are malicious by nature). I wasn't attempting to defend evil actions by any means. I only pointed out that people can and will interpret the world however they've personally evolved to, so it's useful to keep that in mind when interacting with others, vs universally expecting or demanding they see reality as you may (which I mean yeah, harmony is certainly ideal, but it's not what is- & what is tends to be what we all have to learn to work around/prepare for, however we can). It was a neutral statement about a concrete fact.
Is it that hard for you to hold two conflicting ideas in your mind at once? (this is meant to be an actual query, by the way, not a rhetorical remark)
perhaps, but you would be surpriced how much we infj's can help in correcting these faulty judgments, if we just develop our two weaker functions.(by having solid experience based structure for understandign people)
at the second bold: yeah, i need a solid understanding of world, how everything is related to everything.
every unhealthy person causes harm to everyone, if you dont understand their unhealthiness, then your caught offguard and they pull you into it. thus its simply a requirement that you know of every flaw in every one. otherwise you cant dodge them.
I appreciate the need to discuss this topic. Hurting others is often a misunderstood experience on one or both sides. I just hate to read these posts with their contentious undertones. People hurt people. Nobody likes it. Can we try to discuss things, especially this subject, with compassion and understanding rather that with one-ups and put downs?
I was trying to avoid speaking up in this thread, but every time I see new activity here, I feel more and more strongly about it.
Peace, Love, and Personalities baby
yeah, i think its generally very hard to understand people without seeing their faces.. =|
[MENTION=15291]Mane[/MENTION]
btw, i investigate the infj doorslam thing, and my theory is, that both inj's have their own version of this. for infj's, when we realize things aint working, there must be faults in our understanding, so we cut contact until we have it figured out. intj's do the fi version of this. if you hurt intj's feelings, they withdraw until they have resolved their feelings.
I think your theory is garbage.
really?
look at unhealthy introverts, like fi doms get all absorbed in their feelings. isfp's getting all super paranoid of other peoples motivations, and infp's suchking the feelings out of other people, instead of using Te to chat about useful things.
istj's get all over sensualistic, thinking the only point of existence is to experience sensuality, so much, that they start manipulating others to get sensual experiences with them, without their consensus.
Ni doms get so absorbid in intuition, that we lose connection to the reality and think our view on it is the real reality.
can you think for yourself, or does my theory still seem crap, even with the backing of empirical evidence?