well, i think you are right about the physical characteristics, from what i've read and correlated with types i know. BUT. it is WAY off when it comes to its relationship methodology!! it says i (infj) and intj would make good 'business partners' but not an effective relationship.....however, i'm in a pretty-damn-fabulous 21 year relationship with an intj. also, it says my duality partner would be....um, esfp i think, but the thought of esfp just totally TURNS ME OFF, no offense esfps.....my hair sylist is one and i love her, but not to be in a relationship with. just don't get that. friendship, yeah. but i KNOW i like NT men. or even ST men.
so, i find mbti better for relationship matching.
I also wanted to use this opportunity to publicly screw MBTI. Screw you MBTI!
It's because you don't accurately type people. You can't assume they're the MBTI type. They are two different theories.
Pictures or it didn't happen. And watch out for the paper cuts.
guess i'm missing something then. do you have a better link for socionics typing besides socionics.com and wiki?
and i do know i like nt men, so if it tells me on their little grid that i do best with esfp, how does that jive?
That's an interesting observation. I was wondering how we use our dominant and auxiliary functions differently.
My ESTP brother is more about brute strength whereas I am the endurance athlete. He has little interest in the activities I do, and I have little interest in adopting his goals of gaining muscle mass and the type of strength he desires.
I wonder if the difference is this: ESTP uses sensing to affect his environment, whereas ISTP uses his sensing to interact with his environment. I guess the answer to that is obvious, as that's the definition of extroversion vs. introversion.
Example for me: When swimming I use my sensing to feel the drag of the water. It allows me to adjust my body position, if necessary, for more efficient movement through the water. When I was running barefoot yesterday, I found that I use my feet as immediate sensory feedback, to sense what was directly beneath me on the ground, feeling debris or changes in elevation, allowing me to adjust shock absorbance with my knees, adjust my cadence, or change direction if needed.
i would say Si is a creative approach to body movement. it seeks an experience through witch it can see through completely. it designs the happening. Se is comfortable with affecting and reacting (interacting), not assuming conscious control over an unconscious partner-element. the product (design) of this interaction is surprising to Se (but it may be able to predict it, from experience)
enfp+istp=duals in socionics
well, i think you are right about the physical characteristics, from what i've read and correlated with types i know. BUT. it is WAY off when it comes to its relationship methodology!! it says i (infj) and intj would make good 'business partners' but not an effective relationship.....however, i'm in a pretty-damn-fabulous 21 year relationship with an intj. also, it says my duality partner would be....um, esfp i think[..]
Agreed. The dual for INFj is actually ESTj. Which I don't understand. I've never had a great relationship with an ESTj. I can agree with the other quadra members (ENFp and ISTp) being good picks, but not ESTj.
My EII friend is married to an LSE and they admire each other frankly. Fi and Te seem to go hand-in-hand.
I could imagine how MBTI ESTJs actually type as socionics ESTps and that kind of relationship is a no-no. It's pretty common among the INFs as well.
There's also an introvert-extrovert switch. One of my good friends typed as an INxP in MBTI, but he's actually an ENFp in socionics
My comments were in reference to Socionics ESTjs.
Socionics IS amazing. And the physical descriptions aren't really guesses but fairly accurate (though not always) theories they've put together over many years.
So you're an INFj and your relationships with ESTjs were very negative, or they just didn't work out?
Both.
What have been your best relationships? Any really wonderful experiences come out of dating or anything of the like? Fi is difficult for dating. I know from experience because I've gone with an ESI before. There's just so much she needs to bring forth, and I think an extraverted, objective, straight-shooter version of me will do that for her. From there I can see confidence and order upon her Se and that will dominate and make justification for appropriate action.