That's interesting, one can usually relate 7 to Socionics Ne Leading and 8 to Socionics Se Leading i.e. the EP types.
Not quite, I would not say the parameters of Enneagram are clear enough to make such a judgement. When you try to correlate the rules of Socionics with Enneagram you get inconsistencies... For instance, is an Enneagram a collection of strong personality traits or our fears/motivations? They would lead to very different pairings depending. I mention this in the Hangout we had last week:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Avxmp8Vb048
I don't really do subtypes. I think we should first be set on the types before we start splitting things further.
Yeah of course there'll be inconsistencies.
But then it's not defining for my socionics type that I'm an Id type in enneagram.
I'm going to copypaste from the PoLR thread about how I relate to Ne and Fi and please let me know which one sounds like the PoLR and which one is more like the Role.
Fi: I usually don't feel anything in a personal way. It's not that I don't know what I feel. Simply there is nothing to know about. No inner feelings. And I'm not interested either in that stuff. When I do feel some emotion, I never try to give it a name or figure out what it means, I just sort of act it out, or express it in whatever other way I can, if nothing else, then by writing or playing out a short story in my head that's all about emotional displays. I actually pretty much *have to* do some sort of expression, and in general I don't have good control over expression of strong emotions. I like strong emotions anyway, I just rarely get them with the exception of anger. Anyway that part is Fe, I'm just showing how it takes priority over Fi.
As for not feeling anything where I would be expected to, e.g. at most people's death, or anything else really; I don't give a fuck about those societal expectations. I never wondered if this made me a "monster". I'm actually quite comfortable being this way. Anyone who thinks it's bad can just fuck off. I'm rather fine with admitting to myself that I don't feel anything. Thus, I exactly know what I feel: nothing.
No, I don't say the above to others in such situations, I know it would be offensive. I just manage by simply keeping a blank face and not doing anything or leaving entirely, or perhaps, at best, giving a faint expression of what's expected, some facial expression, e.g. a quick superficial smile. Even then I still don't say anything about personal/inner feelings and I don't express them by action either. Behaving pretty reserved really. It did happen before that I offended others by this kind of behaviour - if I completely didn't attempt to align with expectations -, yes but I didn't give a shit.
When I'm just asked about how I feel about something, that's simple too, I'll just say "dunno" or shrug or smile or something like that. I don't bother to put in the effort because I know there's nothing. Even if sometimes there happened to be something that I "feel" about whatever thing, it would be something pretty confusing, not an actual emotion either, really just something confusing and so I just ignore it.
From all the above, it follows that I have trouble feeling much for most relationships. I'm mostly neutral, no like, no dislike. No list of enemies that I'd feel anything about. I behave in the same way with everyone by default. I also can't judge my relationships consistently, without external emotional expression, I usually get on the negative side of things and too quickly assume that they don't like me. The only way to determine other people's stance is by directly asking about it and I will simply do this if I want to know. It also means I don't naturally pay attention to preserving relationships. Uh, okay, all that textbook Fi PoLR stuff about how I just focus on the activities, the fun, etc, not the relationship itself.
Ne: I relate to senza tema's Ne PoLR a lot. Except it's not about ethics, of course. I don't like too much speculation, too many options, too much randomness and scatteredness, brainstorming, blahblahblah, I get overloaded fast with that stuff. If I tried to analyse it, my head would soon explode. Best to just ignore it. My focus is very deep and intense instead of being scattered going all over the place with ideas anyway.
I'm rather good at quickly judging what ideas are realistic and which ones are not and the ones that aren't, I couldn't care less about. I'm much more glad to analyse trends instead of unrealistic ideas. To clarify, I don't often look at trends but sometimes I do and like it. And, I will care about only the most likely outcome(s) and ignore the unlikely ones if they're unlikely enough. So, when it's about options on what could possibly be done, I don't like that either, I prefer picking one way and take direct action.
I hate the idea of combining various bullshit together just to see what happens. I can only logically analyse stuff and determine if there's a connection that way. I have very strict expectations about logical correctness of connections. More than that, I have expectations that it be connected to tangible reality. Not totally theoretical stuff.
So, yeah, Ne is something that I'm definitely not interested in, and I don't really feel sensitive to criticism about it. I can sometimes think it's great though when ILE's and LII's seem to pick up entire theories in a way that I just don't do. It's not to do with intelligence/IQ whatsoever, I'm perfectly capable of understanding the same stuff, but I process it very differently.