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- Jul 3, 2008
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- MBTI Type
- INFP
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- Instinctual Variant
- so/sp
beat happening songs seem infp to me. indian summer, cry for a shadow? dreamy and jamboree? would YOUR dad EVER be caught DEAD listening to beat happening? i know my istj dad wouldn't!
funhouse! yeah, if he's infp, he has a sense of humor as dry as any istj's biting remarks but still very black and white, very plain and honestly very boring, a very sandy dry wit. When I saw him play in la, I remember walking past him and eventually speaking to him at his merchandise table and I got istj vibes from my peripheral, the sense that he was watching me walk by before with those wary eyes I get from them sometimes. infp eyes tend to be better at concealing their interest than istj.
i think introverts are more likely to be collectors than extraverts. i could be completely utterly stupidly wrong, and probably am. with that said neil is definitely an i and and f. the rest is where it breaks down for me. the way he sings, inflects, and is so infp stoic on the outside. i have the infp sense from him pretty strongly, but he could be an isfp. that's my big question right now with a lot of songwriters. aux Ne vs ter Ni. also, i am starting to think dominant Ni or Ne might just be too fucking crazy to write comprehensible songs that a large number of people will ever like.
Thanks for drawing me back to introverstion concerning Neil. The way some estps can speak so quiety often convinces me wrongly that they're introverted. Ask someone who listens to the guy. If his music has any Fi, it has little appeal to me for some reason. Some really boring and stinky lyrics on those "classic" albums in my opinion.
do you associate estp with provocateur types?
ryuichi sakamoto i would like to check out... some day.
jonathan richman, you think he is dominant Fe? i don't know him that well other than the modern lovers record and his self-titled, but his songs don't have the intensity of feeling that i would expect from enfj. they are more cheeky. closer is my favorite jonathan richman song, and my own personal sex anthem.
please explain shannon hoon and lou barlow. actually shannon hoon just FEELS way more infp to me than j. sooooo much more. the songs are pretty drippy, and they don't really elucidate the context enough to make you feel like a j type would. it's not about roles it's more about what happens internally to HIM. lou barlow and j mascis both infps, hmm. that would explain why they couldn't get along at all, and then could, and then couldn't, and then could etc. will oldham as an isfp makes sense to me, he is not very writerly compared to songwriters i like (in the N sense). i'll see bonnie prince billy when they come into town, but i'm afraid i might fall asleep like an old person with diapers on trying to see a picture at the movie theatre. i'm also thinking the fiona apple infp/isfp thing is a good question. the song criminal, extraordinary machine, i see some strong intuition there. same old problem, again and again.
ps what are you talking about with superego? i've never made the leap as far as getting into that stuff and not feeling like robin williams in good will hunting.
A friend (enfj + english teacher) reminds me exactly of Jonathan. He also told me about seeing him play and how he has great control over the crowd.
Studying Hoon and Barlow any more would require putting in my stupid earbuds when my ears are perfectly comfortable listening to the charming R. Stevie Moore on this dusty bose stereo. I'll develop some thoughts (not guaranteeing deep) tomorrow.
Check out Austin Powers 2 with Heather Graham. Remember that? I can so see Fiona Apple in that one. Or in any other of her movies that they air on tv. And have you seen her Howard Stern interview in which he pops an audio rocket over her? That's duality right there.
I'm just one to use superego/conflicting relations because my pattern recognition abilities aren't such that I can single out someone's primary/axillary functions without exhausting my Si to death. Te is a little too dead tonight to explain further.