Yup, that's the issue. Both my mother and younger sister are ISFJs and I was raised with lots of ISFJ influence and have always gotten along well with them (aside being consistently frustrated by their lack of vision and fear of the unknown)... I had this veneer of Fe style behavior but it was very tempermental, I feel like I only fleshed it out in the last two years; and being immersed in a particular religious tradition with strong Fe-style controls didn't help. (i.e., if you deviate from the list of "appropriate behavior," you're "bad"; while inside I severely doubted the authenticity of the rules, it made me pretty neurotic externally because I didn't want to be rejected.) It can be quite the cage.
Definitely about the " if your deviate from the list of "appropriate behaviors" thing. If your not fitting neatly into that daughter role, *for me at least* i feel cast aside as if i'm invalid cause i question anything worth questioning.
I don't know if this could be Fe inferior but i get absolutely angry and feel that "tunnel vision" thing when it seems as though my oldest sister is trying to play "mother" with me. I always would say " just cause your the oldest doesn't mean your my second mother, I have a mother and a father to reprimend me.
I guess a "know your role as my sister" kind of idea.
I get quite hung up on Fe relationship roles.
Anyway, it's hard to tease out what is natural and what is learned. Once I came into my own, the Fe went back to its "proper" place, priority-wise, in my life; and I could use it rather than be used by it, and my actual strengths became far more apparent.
NT tends to seek the universal essence and definition of objects; NF tends to seek for a personal vision and lifepath, their own unique definition. An NT can always bend her impersonal perceptions towards herself, seeking her own "universal definition."
Think of it like the process of Naming in LeGuin's Earthsea. NF's name things based on
their relevance/significance to themselves. Naming in Earthsea is more more NT in nature, everything (living or inanimate) has a name in the True Speech that utterly defines and encompasses it.... even people. Every person's True Name described their essence, and knowing someone's name gave you power over them because you knew who they were.
Can you see the difference between the two?
Could you go into "NT can always bend her impersonal perceptions toward herself, seeking her own "universal definition" and NF personal vision and lifepath like what is deep down inside or something?.
For NT *Earthsea* is it like everything is defined precisely/categorized? True speech? What is LeGuin's Earthsea?
I'm going to on out on a limb here but could that NFs Naming things based on their relevance/significance to themselves be the cause of mistyping. NT is more hard to define in that way.
I think i can. I feel as if i'm missing something though like i don't completely understand it possibly.
Are there differences within ANY type between males and females? The answer seems to be yes, whether because of biology differences or socialization differences. Each gender typical has different expectations set for it and pressures put upon it by society, and the mother/father role model interaction is different, etc.
Even if two things are exactly the same at start (such as identical twins, genetically), we see them differentiate from each other as life unfolds because they are in different circumstances/positions.
There have been a number of threads about INTP women, both here and on INTPcentral, compared to men. There are a lot of similarities; INTP women still tend to deal better with people but also have had to carry a lot of baggage from society because they aren't like "normal" women (society's words) and often have issues with the more traditional female role model, i.e., mom. If men have issues with Mom, it's because she's usually overprotective or constrictive or a guilt inducer, NOT because she's insisting that she should be their role model... It's a different type of interaction.
*oooh*
Yes, my ISFJ mom is very gentle and kind-hearted and can't stand conflict... which is what I found out when I tried to push one. It screwed her up physically (the heart issues) and she completely drops into J mode and clings to her old ways of thinking, she can't handle looking at new ideas. She told someone else that I confuse her when I challenge her with my ideas and if she doesn't just shove them away, then she doesn't know what to say and feels like she has to accept my thinking but doesn't want to (I'm talking mostly religious beliefs here but it applies everywhere). Of course she could not even tell me that, she had to tell someone else... because she doesn't want to challenge me directly. Sigh.