Black Hole Sun
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We rock at that inner conflict-competing interests shtuff.
"Funk da police!" (But funk em nicely n stuff cuz they are people too.)
Hii..I wrote something initially, but I didn't know how to convey it in words correctly..
But I'll try again
Why do you think INFJs come off like individualist? I read before it had to do Ni but I'm not sure.
Off the top of my head I would say it's partly because I think INFJs tend to approach almost everything on a case by case basis. Weighing up all of the interdependent factors to determine which way to proceed. Kind of ends up looking like you're walking according to your very own code, which often takes both yourself AND others into account. A wide range of input results in a range of output behavior. Though in my case, there's often a very strong line of personal logic involved, which prob won't be obvious to others. Partly because I don't readily communicate my inner world to others. I would imagine it's the same for other INFJs.
INFJs tend to be deliberate while also being tuned into their inner world/vision - often trying to make that materialize in the real world somehow - that can make a person seem highly individualistic.
Dunno, Ni or Enneatype 4. Lots of us type 4 INFJs runnin around.
So do you think in some ways Ni+Fe comes off like Fi?
[...] Fi’ers process things in a different direction; they’re more mercurial in an immediate sense, they’re inclined to want to break off into abstract ‘feeling tones’ (or something) in the moment and Ni+Fe can impatient with that if it doesn’t seem germane to the situation/discussion at hand. It seems to me like introverted judgment/extraverted perception is more inclined to process the information immediately and point out abstract fragments that feel important; whereas introverted perception/extraverted judgment has a tendency to want to collect a very basic framework from others so that we can go off and process the information on our own. Too many abstract F fragments in-the-moment are just agitating to us, we like to break down ‘what’s wrong’ in isolation, but Ps find it agitating to not be able to iron them out right away? In that latter sense, Ni+Fe does not resemble Fi.
Great answer...I was thinking the same just didn't know how word it correctly.
So do you think in some ways Ni+Fe comes off like Fi?
I personally feel I have more in common with INTJs and INTPs though. I like to keep a lid on my reactions and INTJs and INTPs, for different reasons, can appear to be the same temperature of person in that respect.
[...]I don't like to speak of Fi as "feeling tones" though. I think that's exaggerated. I suppose I experience it more rationally. I don't disagree with what [MENTION=204]FineLine[/MENTION] was saying, but a lot of it is still Ne impressions over Fi judgments, IMO. Ne is responding to what has potential & what doesn't, and when something is deemed to have little positive potential, then we may dismiss it. The Fi judgment to me is more of a predetermined ideal that has been built up in the head over time & is now used as an in-the-moment gauge. The ideal itself is what is spent mulling over in private - refining & deepening an understanding of what is truly significant, meaningful, necessary in the most fundamental, conceptual sense. I suppose I always want to emphasize the rationality of Fi, because I don't experience it as a visceral response, (and I'm quite sure these "tones" are as heavily associated with sensing as with feeling). In line with many Fi descriptions, I get accused a lot of not having feelings, not being sympathetic, etc. This is in stark contrast with INFP stereotypes on forums like this...[...]
[...] Anyhow, I think the obvious factor in "INFJ individualism" is Ni. [...] What is always striking to me is how INFJs often won't see this as personal/individual though, whereas a Ji-dom almost always does. The type descriptions are uncannily accurate to me when they describe this aspect of Ni-dom (and Fe-dom, for that matter). And to balance that comment, I will note that Ne is experienced as objective too (as FineLine describes...as if we cannot control the potential of something, as if it just emits it to us independent of our own mind).
[...] I agree with [MENTION=4806]violaine[/MENTION] in that when I stay silent about something, it seems like it’s for a different reason. With the INFPs I know, it’s like they feel hesitant to voice their opinion (because maybe they sense it won’t be acknowledged or valued?)- but with INFJs, it’s because they’re unsure they have the facts right or they’re concerned there’s some missing viewpoint that needs to be explored. It’s kind of like INFPs will feel the need to explore “Is this really what I think/feel about this?†and need it to feel solid before saying anything (?); whereas an INFJ will get stuck in “Is this really what others think/feel about this, or is my reading of it incorrect?†and/or “Why do they think/feel something that doesn’t make sense to me?†before saying anything.