Lots of stuff to respond to, cutting dumb things out.
If you present yourself like an ignorant moron, I will treat you that way. Reread the post that I was responding to and see if thats the way you want to present yourself.
I told you were wrong and presented reasons why.
You said Brain = Computer, which is wrong, so I corrected the analogy.
/sarcasm on
Do you think molecules in a rock have different qualities in those of a cat? It's all electrons and protons. So the cat biodegrades more quickly. That's only because there are bacteria who use the same atoms in their own life...
pff, life, totally overrated, nothing special comes from it, no discernable qualities...
/sarcasm off
I specifically mentioned to disregard this argument because it is irrelevant to computers, because they have no infant stage. They are either functioning or they aren't, it doesn't develop into a stage of functioning.
I said, right in parenthesis, that the brain can be revived, however depending on how long it was shut-down, its not going to be the same, information has been lost.
Yes.
No.
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Humans are not a natural product of evolution? Humans cannot come into existence by themselves? Which of those was that a response to?
If it was the former, then you are wrong, if it was the latter, then I agree (we come into existence from our parents).
Who initiates the changes.
Computers are quite good at mathematical processing, because thats how we intended them to be.
Who attaches the camera, who programs the computer to understand how to change things based on the input.
The blatant statement "Brain = Computer" made by Noc is not accurate. Brains are more complex, computers are similar to parts of how our brain works, but not the brain as a whole.
Yes but we would have to play God by giving it those abilities. We have the ability to seek food intrinsically. And were it to be able to metabolize, and therefore grow, and additionally if it could reproduce (or self-reproduce), it is no longer just a computer, it is life.
Bleh alot of repeating myself.. key word in your sentece: Programmed. It is Not Intrinsic.
Fear, anger, joy, anxiousness, tiredness, hatred, love, greed, humility, get the picture? These are input/output relations.
Not an accurate analogy, it is too vague.
Think about Abiogenesis, Evolution, Natural selection, mutations, genetics, etc. Do these apply to computers? Simply put, a computer is not programmed from its surroundings, it is programmed from us, we are God to computers. Yet, we need no God to come into existence.
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I'm not going to be able to respond to anything from here on, too time consuming and i've got homework.
I have. In another thread. How about, instead, you research my proposition.
You're not a publishing firm -- I don't have to prove shit to you. I'm offering an idea, not appealing to your approval.
Well that's not far from idiotic. If I'm right, regardless of whether or not I've justified myself, I'm still right.
If you present yourself like an ignorant moron, I will treat you that way. Reread the post that I was responding to and see if thats the way you want to present yourself.
Are you? I'm goddamn right. Look it up if you don't believe me, but don't try to shove off a bunch of proofing responsibilities on to me. If you wanna know the truth, you'll hear what I have to say, and check to see if it's true. If it's not, then come back and tell me I'm wrong.
I told you were wrong and presented reasons why.
Did I?
You said Brain = Computer, which is wrong, so I corrected the analogy.
Living material? Do you think the molecules in a brain have different qualities of those in a computer? It's all electrons and protons. So a brain biodegreades more quickly. That's only because there are bacteria who use the same atoms in their own life. If we had silicone based life forms, we'd have to worry about our semiconductors being eaten too.
Living material...
/sarcasm on
Do you think molecules in a rock have different qualities in those of a cat? It's all electrons and protons. So the cat biodegrades more quickly. That's only because there are bacteria who use the same atoms in their own life...
pff, life, totally overrated, nothing special comes from it, no discernable qualities...
/sarcasm off
And just where do you think we got our fuel from? It had to come from somewhere -- think: Womb. Womb is a factory, which fills up the battery charge.
I specifically mentioned to disregard this argument because it is irrelevant to computers, because they have no infant stage. They are either functioning or they aren't, it doesn't develop into a stage of functioning.
That we know of currently. But actually, if you know anything about physics, you know that there is a way to restart a brain, we just haven't figured out precisely how to do it, probably because it's just really really hard/complicated.
I said, right in parenthesis, that the brain can be revived, however depending on how long it was shut-down, its not going to be the same, information has been lost.
PCs imitate part of a brain.
Yes.
The brain is a computer.
No.
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Neither could humans.
Humans are not a natural product of evolution? Humans cannot come into existence by themselves? Which of those was that a response to?
If it was the former, then you are wrong, if it was the latter, then I agree (we come into existence from our parents).
Interesting definition of unchanging you're using. Everything your computer does is a physical change in its internal system.
Who initiates the changes.
Additionally, we can program learning algorithms into computers -- they rewrite their own programming based on data and calculated trends.
Computers are quite good at mathematical processing, because thats how we intended them to be.
We could attach a camera to a computer and have it change things about its programming based on that input.
We could attach a microphone, blah blah.
You get my point (I hope).
Who attaches the camera, who programs the computer to understand how to change things based on the input.
We are computers (in the broad sense of the word -- information processing machines) with specific kinds of input systems, and specific kinds of processing algorithms.
The blatant statement "Brain = Computer" made by Noc is not accurate. Brains are more complex, computers are similar to parts of how our brain works, but not the brain as a whole.
Computers and humans need energy -- we could conceivably make a machine that extracted chemicals out of similar kinds of food, and moves around the environment seeking out those kinds of food (it would be incredibly hard, but definitely not theoretically impossible).
Yes but we would have to play God by giving it those abilities. We have the ability to seek food intrinsically. And were it to be able to metabolize, and therefore grow, and additionally if it could reproduce (or self-reproduce), it is no longer just a computer, it is life.
Plus, if you actually listened to my "everything is a deductive process" argument, you could hopefully see how even intuition could be programmed into a computer.
Bleh alot of repeating myself.. key word in your sentece: Programmed. It is Not Intrinsic.
Again, how would you argue that the brain is capable of something that a computer is literally incapable of doing? I'd like an example of a process that can not be thought of as input/output relations.
Fear, anger, joy, anxiousness, tiredness, hatred, love, greed, humility, get the picture? These are input/output relations.
Our race has been "programmed" by our surroundings. A computer is programmed by its surroundings...
Not an accurate analogy, it is too vague.
Think about Abiogenesis, Evolution, Natural selection, mutations, genetics, etc. Do these apply to computers? Simply put, a computer is not programmed from its surroundings, it is programmed from us, we are God to computers. Yet, we need no God to come into existence.
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I'm not going to be able to respond to anything from here on, too time consuming and i've got homework.