As much as I have always liked Les Miserables, I see no INTJs in it. Closest might be Enjolras who I suspect is ENTJ. Your thoughts regarding Javert are similar to mine sometimes about INTJ characters.That makes a lot of sense. Recently I discovered Les Mis*, and I relate a LOT to Javert, for similar reasons, i.e. his thought processes, his internal conflict. A general sense of, if my life had gone that direction -- i.e. if I'd been that misguided -- maybe I would have ended up somewhere similar.
Yep! He's one of the most ISTJ characters there is. Most of the villains I relate to are Knights Templar, just trying to do the right thing, but doing it horrifically wrong -- and usually those characters are STJ.As much as I have always liked Les Miserables, I see no INTJs in it. Closest might be Enjolras who I suspect is ENTJ. Your thoughts regarding Javert are similar to mine sometimes about INTJ characters.
Why not? Is there something inherent about the type that makes this bad in a literary sense?
Some would characterize the American colonists that way, once the revolution started. One man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter. I like rebels who champion causes I would support, most of which concern civil liberties and social justice. A good example is the student rebels in Les Miserables. They certainly lived in a time and place where many inequities in society needed to be addressed, but their revolt was nothing more than a mass suicide. I never got much into the Star Wars story, so none of this is a commentary on that. It always seemed more like a war between political factions to me, rather than a true rebellion.
I checked out your Knights Templar - interesting site. My preference is Good is not Nice.Yep! He's one of the most ISTJ characters there is. Most of the villains I relate to are Knights Templar, just trying to do the right thing, but doing it horrifically wrong -- and usually those characters are STJ.
I find it very useful in my everyday life. Its terminology makes discussion of genre tropes (and types of characters) a lot quicker and easier. For example, I could spend several paragraphs explaining the character of Mr. Bates from "Downton Abbey", or I could just call him a Stoic Woobie and The Atoner.I checked out your Knights Templar - interesting site.
In general, or as a villain?My preference is Good is not Nice.
That assumes, though, that you are speaking with people who are familiar with these terms. I would have to look them up.I find it very useful in my everyday life. Its terminology makes discussion of genre tropes (and types of characters) a lot quicker and easier. For example, I could spend several paragraphs explaining the character of Mr. Bates from "Downton Abbey", or I could just call him a Stoic Woobie and The Atoner.
The whole premise of "good but not nice" is that the person is fundamentally good, so I would suspect this is rare for a villain, unless it is a villain who has some change of heart and mends his/her ways. Antiheroes sometimes take this form. I especially enjoy characters with moral ambiguity, where it isn't clear which side they are really on, at least until the story resolves itself. (There is a "nice but not good" that seems more suited to villains.)In general, or as a villain?
Do they seem to share your type? I found this to be the case with most characters I identify strongly with, and that it overrides most other distinctions (sex, family situation, occupation, education level, etc).I can't think of any I identify with very much. I love many, many fictional characters and faithful sidekicks always have a special place in my heart. I'm not sure if it's because I identify with them or because I admire them. Wait, I think I do identify with them, but most of the ones I identify with are men, some of whom are gay. I had not noticed that before.
I'd say I??J, but not necessarily NF. Basically, they are quiet and gentle and do a lot of the grunt work so their friend can focus on saving/running the world, or whatever.Do they seem to share your type? I found this to be the case with most characters I identify strongly with, and that it overrides most other distinctions (sex, family situation, occupation, education level, etc).
How often and how strongly do you identify with characters in the books you read, or the movies you see? Are these characters usually similar to you, different from you, or an example of what you would like to be/wish you were? What does it mean to identify with a fictional character - what do you see as the nature of the identification? Is the process useful in any way?
I actively try to find a character I can identify with in any given media I'm watching or reading. I like finding a character I feel represents myself and helps me relate better to the setting and story. I also like identifying characters with people I know, such as "this character is such a Victor", because I guess it makes things more real and relatable to me.
Heh, I relate to that. Also, sometimes, I can see two characters and imagine myself as a "blend" of them. Pretty peculiar, I guess.
Interesting. I was going to say I don't think I've done that before, but then I remember that I'm torn between Buffy and Anya for character I relate to most from BtVS. On the one hand I have an intense sense of obligation and duty that Buffy feels, but I'm also very quirky and strange like Anya.
Also, I'm pretty sure if Liz Lemon and Jenna Maroney had a baby, it would be me. I have so many certain traits from both of them and I even look like a blend of them (a blonde with black-rimmed glasses).
Yeah, it's sort of a fun "game". Right now I'm playing VLR and I consider myself 55% K / 45% Luna.