Red Herring
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Brain tumor
I am certain that I am an NF, and I actually have firmly decided ENFP, because I've taken time to understand function theory correctly.
All that aside - there have been entire threads where we have attempted to explain the difference between Sensors and Intuitives to you, and you in particular were one of the people saying "HUH UH NO WAY THAT DOESN'T MEAN THEY ARE INTUITIVE."
It's a waste of time trying to explain it to you, as an individual, because no explanation pleases you. But I have also encountered the same attitude with other ISTJs and a couple of STPs on the forum.
It's a pointless conversation.
Can you tell me why you would think he's an Intuitive?
I understand well what is being described as intutive behavior; my questions were behind the constant implications that Sensors don't do those same things, which they do. But I got it now.
You're still the one who makes assertions that all ENFPs don't like soap operas, or don't like the smell of lemons, or you must be a sensor because you like sports. Thought you were playing here at first but you seriously feel this way, and you're off. You're asking people do they like to read mystery novels or paint by number series, to determine if their type. Way off.
And you still didn't answer my question to you why he isn't.
I'm pretty good at guessing people's types IRL, almost spot on when I think it to myself and they take the test afterward. Usually how I tell someone is a sensor is when I talk to the person and "something is missing." But I'm also very high on N.
It's a feeling I get. None of my answers are going to make you happy because I am so NF and you are so SJ.
I'm not happy because this is all Fi talk- you. Which is why it's not worth it for me to continue. Your argument holds no water to anyone but you; still you're entitled to it.
What would satisfy me is something with a little more logic to it (maybe that's why I'm an S?), something other than your feelings, since my original statement is one of logic.
All you know about me is the letters I choose to put up there to actually to know that I'm 'So SJ'.
No, you're so SJ because of the way you are. Other SJs might be a bit more N, like my ex, or like JTG1984.
George W is an ESTP and I made a point-by-point argument on Personality Cafe for it several months ago. I'll find the link for you want.
I just think it's so obvious that 'ol George is an ST type....so, so obvious...
No. Dick Cheney, Vladimir Putin, and possibly Hillary Clinton are INTJ politicians.
George W is ESTP though some say ESTJ.
I think he played ESTP during his presidency. his real personality before he went into official is more much more I,N and J-ish (although he's certainly not an F). personality aside though, the thought processes of how he went about forming his political opinions seem strikingly INTJ to me.
seriously, if you haven't watched the clips, please do. all of you saying he's ESTP or ESTJ will be very surprised. his behavior is SP-ish sometimes, but I think that's because he's 8w7 or possibly 7w8 (it's not a cognitive thing, he just likes to be funny, make entrances and be crazy like 7s and 8s do)
seriously, if you haven't watched the clips, please do. all of you saying he's ESTP or ESTJ will be very surprised. his behavior is SP-ish sometimes, but I think that's because he's 8w7 or possibly 7w8 (it's not a cognitive thing, he just likes to be funny, make entrances and be crazy like 7s and 8s do)
This is the attitude that fuels most of the misconceptions out there- like there's no such thing as a dumb INTJ.
I watched the first part of tape 1 and was struck by the contrast. The main contrast I picked up though, was that the -10 years GWB seemed focused, rehearsed, confident, hopeful and energetic. The 10-years-later GWB seemed broken and beaten down in comparison. It actually made me feel sad to see the difference. I'm not sure if it's a change in personality as much as a portrait of a man who's given up and just hoping to be left alone. Probably too many years listening to his advisers and trying to parrot the policy instead of speaking from his own viewpoint with confidence.
I think he just got in over his head and, on some level, really did want to do some good.
I mean, the guy had been sort of a loser and an alcoholic and kind of a disgrace to his family.
Then he got sober and decided to go into politics and I think felt like he was 'proving himself' to be a decent guy. his daddy was finally proud of him. He was actually successful on lower levels, and my understanding of his role as Texas gov, he actually brought both parties together and managed to reduce partisanship.
However, he wasn't prepared for the realities of being president and the hard politics of the national level, pure and simple. he kind of sold his soul just to get elected (with all those hard swings to the right, while really being more moderate). And no, he wasn't a great thinker; he's more the guy who deals with the problem du jour, but the issues he was having to deal with demanded far more strategic approach, rather than waiting for things to blow up in one's face.