I think the distinction we need to make is that pro-chocies believe in "choice" not that abortion is right or wrong". Given that, consider that you have an abortion and consider this:
You know it's a baby, and it is.
You know it's not a baby, and it isn't
You don't know if its a baby or not, and it is.
You don't know if its a baby or not, and it isn't.
1. obviously wrong
2. nothing wrong
3. irresponsible
4. irresponsible
So the claim that "We don't know if its a baby or not, so let's legislate it anyway" doesn't work.
SO, is it a baby? Life begins at conception. I don't know how clearer I can put it. When you get pregnant, a baby will come out. It will happen every single time.
I would consider a fetus part of someone's body when it's in the womb.
Even then, sure I respect your belief. But I don't respect that people shouldn't have the right to do what they want. If you are against abortion, then don't get one. Don't force your beliefs on others.
Just because its part of the body, then its ok to kill the child?
What if it wasn't part of the body?
- If it would be wrong to kill the baby in this case, then human life would be valuable. In this case, the value of human life would trump the inconvenience of carrying it around for 9 months.
- If it'd be right to kill the baby, well that's fucked up.
The law should allow us to make decisions like this based on what WE consider good or bad. It's our right to exercise what we see as morally good in my opinion (as long as it isn't crazy stuff like ritual killings and sacrifice, you know what I mean).
As I said, what's the issue? If you don't believe it, don't practice it.
According to this, we could say, "allow people to choose whether or not to murder adults innocently, allow people to choose to steal, etc". Obviously that's moral bankruptcy. If that were the case, the constitution would be one line: "Do as you please, as long as it doesn't interfere with other people." Well, I
am gonna limit your freedom, and I am gonna step on your toes. Forgive me if I say "It's wrong to steal from the innocent when expedient".
The only thing we
can legislate is morality. If you say
The law should allow us to...
That's a morality.
Well we are divided as a society already when it comes to certain beliefs. The abortion issue will NEVER be objectively and unshakeably true, because it's based on opinion.
Is that so? Why is it based on opinion? Because we disagree?
First, why is it necessary that all human life has the same value and the same rights? Couldn't human beings in one stage be accorded different rights than those in another? Does a person have a right to have a limb amputated, or is that wrong because the limb contains "human life" in the form of cells?
Why
isn't it necessary that all human life has the same value and the same rights? Life is life. Intrinsically valuable. Not to be used. Plain and simple.
Second, why is the death seen as a "loss"? A loss of what, they haven't lived a life or had any meaningful experiences yet.
When you die, you lose the future, not the past. The past already happened. So, whether or not they have had experiences yet is irrelevant. In fact, it hurts the argument-- If they haven't experienced anything yet, they've lost
everything.
Who are you to say that a person is allowed to take one action and accept that set of consequences, but not to choose the other action and accept the consequences? Why should a person not be allowed to take an action that modifies the consequences of a previous action? It's not true that abortion has no consequences... it does. They're just different from the consequences of NOT having one.
Which consequences are we talking about here? The people who have to deal with it, or whether or not an infinitely and intrinsically valuable human exists or not?
A self defense argument could be made also. The woman is acting to prevent a being from invading and using her body for 9 months. Even if the being was a full fledged person, does it have the rights to use her body without her consent?
becuse it just happens to be in her body? That's part of the baby-making process! The girl knew that before she got pregnant. It's not a surprise. You can either say "I killed my baby" or "I have to put up with being a host to this 'parasite' for a few months, which is the only way to have a baby." Which is worse?
I don't think it's accurate to say that most women who got abortions would choose pregnancy if they had to do it again. They might regret it, but they might have regretted pregnancy more.
The whole reason you regret something is because the other option was better. You can't regret two mutually exclusive choices.
Sex can be done for recreation rather than procreation. Just because a woman has sex doesn't mean that she consented to rent her body out for nine months.
Yes it does. Would you say, "hey, I gave my husband consent to impregnante me, and I'm giving the baby consent to use my body as its host." She knows how pregnancy works. No one says, "no its cool, i'll get an abortion, just stick it in"
If you eat at at restaurant, there is the possibility that you will get food poisoning. But does that mean you consented to it?
YES!!! You take a chance in everything that you do. You gotta deal with it. You learn that when you grow up. That's life.