Vilku
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- Jan 4, 2012
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- Enneagram
- 4w5
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- sx/so
i recently stumbled across zen buddhism, in which they teach to accept your part in the flow of life. (instead of going to the opposite currency)
its not that you were out of control in this state of flow view, but rather, most things are outside of your control. (thus the term fate was constructed to describe events outside of your perceived control which have effects upon you. with a hint of religious tone.)
while in contrast, not viewing life as flow would, in zen buddhists view make you stubborn, short sighted for not seeing how life "really is".
in zen buddhism it seems they compare these two views as like: believe you have total control, and you only have 20% control of your real potential and see 0% as out of control. see how it "really is", ability to control starts rising from 20% to much higher, as you uncover your real control by also studying what you cant control, ability to see what you cant control is gained.
i wonder if this is enneagram and mbti related, as in ennea 9 / 1w9 / Ne thing.
i dont know how Se users exactly view existence, but it seems to be by strictly labeling everything recognizable with some form of specific structured meaning, while otherwise as in zen buddhism they promote to see everything "as is" without deciphering the meaning of sensory input, while this would go strongly against the structuring everything external by assigning a specific meaning for everything with the use of labeling. (can Se users confirm, disconfirm or give more data on how exactly it is you make understanding of what you perceive? do you Se's see everything as connected, as if everything in existence was the very same thing?)
im just confused here, trying to sort out the different ways to view world as.
and something related to this: can you enjoy the moment, or often too quickly have the need to switch to something else? (enjoying the moment equals accepting flow without being restless for constant change, something im getting a bit better as i gain more self understanding, instead of restlessly bouncing from idea to idea without really enjoying it that much.)
its not that you were out of control in this state of flow view, but rather, most things are outside of your control. (thus the term fate was constructed to describe events outside of your perceived control which have effects upon you. with a hint of religious tone.)
while in contrast, not viewing life as flow would, in zen buddhists view make you stubborn, short sighted for not seeing how life "really is".
in zen buddhism it seems they compare these two views as like: believe you have total control, and you only have 20% control of your real potential and see 0% as out of control. see how it "really is", ability to control starts rising from 20% to much higher, as you uncover your real control by also studying what you cant control, ability to see what you cant control is gained.
i wonder if this is enneagram and mbti related, as in ennea 9 / 1w9 / Ne thing.
i dont know how Se users exactly view existence, but it seems to be by strictly labeling everything recognizable with some form of specific structured meaning, while otherwise as in zen buddhism they promote to see everything "as is" without deciphering the meaning of sensory input, while this would go strongly against the structuring everything external by assigning a specific meaning for everything with the use of labeling. (can Se users confirm, disconfirm or give more data on how exactly it is you make understanding of what you perceive? do you Se's see everything as connected, as if everything in existence was the very same thing?)
im just confused here, trying to sort out the different ways to view world as.
and something related to this: can you enjoy the moment, or often too quickly have the need to switch to something else? (enjoying the moment equals accepting flow without being restless for constant change, something im getting a bit better as i gain more self understanding, instead of restlessly bouncing from idea to idea without really enjoying it that much.)