Looks to me more like lecturing him on "what the solution is going to be." Or one could make an argument for Fi on account of the personal values.Heh, I'm definitely seeing the argument for ISFJ.
Simon (from Trash): You're in a dangerous line of work, Jayne. Odds are you'll be under my knife again, often. So I want you to understand one thing very clearly: No matter what you do or say or plot, no matter how you come down on us, I will never, ever harm you. You're on this table, you're safe... 'cause I'm your medic. And however little we may like or trust each other, we're on the same crew. Got the same troubles, same enemies, and more than enough of both. Now, we could circle each other and growl, sleep with one eye open, but that thought wearies me. I don't care what you've done, I don't know what you're planning on doing, but I'm trusting you. I think you should do the same. 'Cause I don't see this working any other way.
He's going to let bygones be bygones because of their social position on the crew? That's pretty much as Fe as you get.
Looks to me more like lecturing him on "what the solution is going to be." Or one could make an argument for Fi on account of the personal values.
If forgiving people for practical reasons is F then I'm as F as Snow White.
Yups.Yeah, key words: "I don't see this working any other way." This is a Te speech. The Te "style" often has a "take it or leave it" approach, because it is trying to deal with how to get things done, without much regard to how people feel about it. There is also, as you say, a statement of personal Fi boundaries: I will not harm others in my role as medic.
Fe would be more about the veiled threat: if you do wrong me, you'll be under my knife sooner or later, and I'll get even. In fact, I believe that is exactly how Jayne and other Fe/Ti users would read it - as a veiled threat. I don't read it as a veiled threat so much as Te-style exhaustion with having to be wary about another's unpredictable, malicious behavior. This is why Te comes out "harsh" as often as not: the enumeration of potential difficulties that might be encountered due to a lack of cooperation can often be heard as potential threats/punishments from an Fe perspective, even though no threat or punishment is implied. Te thinks of it as "if you touch the hot stove, you will burn yourself," basic cause and effect, not as "the stove will punish you for your transgression."
Looks to me more like lecturing him on "what the solution is going to be."
Have you guys never heard an ENFJ speak?
Si Fe can very easily be convinced that it's acting for the good of the nation. STPs in prison are Fe tertiary.Holy Crap, Fe alone is hardly, hardly, absolutely hardly the most altruistic of functions. Lordy, if hurting people was never an Fe thing, there'd be no FJs in the military, and probably no TPs in prison.
That's Te. Fe is, by very definition, not a rational function. It is an ethical function, a feeling function. It says so right there on the title, Extroverted feeling, not thinking.Fe is a rational, directive function.
Subtext failure. Let bygones be bygones? If he was gonna do that he'd have just ignored Jayne altogether; he wouldn't have prefaced it with the whole "you're gonna be under my knife a lot" speech, and he certainly wouldn't have brought his sister along. No, he confronted Jayne so Jayne would know he couldn't be fooled, and then let little sis do the threatening for him.Heh, I'm definitely seeing the argument for ISFJ.
Simon (from Trash): You're in a dangerous line of work, Jayne. Odds are you'll be under my knife again, often. So I want you to understand one thing very clearly: No matter what you do or say or plot, no matter how you come down on us, I will never, ever harm you. You're on this table, you're safe... 'cause I'm your medic. And however little we may like or trust each other, we're on the same crew. Got the same troubles, same enemies, and more than enough of both. Now, we could circle each other and growl, sleep with one eye open, but that thought wearies me. I don't care what you've done, I don't know what you're planning on doing, but I'm trusting you. I think you should do the same. 'Cause I don't see this working any other way.
He's going to let bygones be bygones because of their social position on the crew? That's pretty much as Fe as you get.
I don't find my own Fi to be very rational, frankly.
No time at all. My own rationality is Te-based.How long did it take you to figure that?
No time at all. My own rationality is Te-based.
Yep, I've heard 'em, and ESFJs and ISFJ and INFJs, too. Older ones can be more "no-nonsense" as a learned skill, just the same as TJs can learn better manners. Simon is young. This is not a sophisticated NFJ or SFJ style of speech, it's an NTJ speech, as given to someone whom he knows is very disinclined to cooperate.
Nah, he just left the threatening up to his lovable, deadly little sister.Well the FJs I'm used to are all under 25, and Simon's speech is unconscionably formal relationship-oriented. Wouldn't a Te-solution be to make a deal, not impose a deal? Extroverted thinking plus introverted feeling seems more like "Jayne, are you going to mess with me anymore? Why don't we make a deal--you don't mess with me or my sister and I don't mess with you next time you get hurt." Simon, by contrast, leaves the actual solution up to Jayne! He leaves Jayne to be as wild a card as he wants to be, expecting perhaps that Jayne will be suitably abashed at this display of, what from a surgeon amounts to "I (formally) love you"....?!?
I'm not sure the actor himself is ENFP. He seems pretty flat. Simon is ISTJ though.Simon- enfp actor trying to play an INTJ
Unhinged INTP. Shows clear Ti (bible wrong...), has zero control of her own emotions, and is a psychic -- Fe by the very definition of it. Summer Glau herself is most likely ISFP.River- crazy ass nfp. the actor does an excellent job at craziness.
Observe the flips in personality. I suggest the actor is an enfp as we do crazy quite well.
ENFJ character, no idea about Morena.Inara- infj character, infj or entp actor
I can't see Book getting much more Ni-Fe if he tried.Book- infp character
Other way around. Mal is an ENTP, played by an ENTJ actor utterly incapable of playing non-Te characters.Mal- very strange-an ENTP actor trying to play a strong TJ character
Zoe is a very obvious ISTJ. Probably played by an ENTP yes, but her dialogue, thoughts and actions (as opposed to her demeanor) say SJ to the core.Zöe- (The pilot guys' wife?) an entp playing an entp-Again she snaps very nicely
As you mentioned it is indeed very difficult to separate a character's types from the actor's, but that's only if you attempt visual typology. An actor can change how the character acts, but he can't change the script.
Ahh, I see I see. Well, I could tell you why I think each character is the type that he is and you can work from there.DAMN YOU ALEKSEI!!!!!!
okay I dunno about your ideas, however the above is an excellent point. However to do it this way Id need to print out the script itself and look through the text for consistency and wording.
that could be Ti, yeah, though it could be Te + Si as well. Ti, remember, is more about eking out what details mean rather than just noticing the details themselves. Ne, Ti and Si can work in tandem in a way thayt can resemble Ti, but isn't really.You showed a Ti like precision in how you observing what they SAY, rather than what they are/do/were/become. I just see them as blurs, combinations of all of this that I have to piece out functionally.
I highly doubt she's ENTP on the grounds that she's unsociable, and a follower. She sometimes is nervous about Mal's harebrained schemes, but she nevertheless shows an absolute loyalty and willingness to follow him to the depths of hell if need be, that could only be SJ in nature. That means she could only be ISFJ or ISTJ, and she's far too curt to be an ISFJ.(Zoe is totally an ENTP, because I think she is hot and sexy, yet simultaneously ice cold. Ti is soooooo precisely pointed and sexy.
What a coincidence, I adore ENTP chicks too.I adore ENTP chicks. If only I was an INFJ guy rather than an ENFP girl.
Hmm? How so?Oh well....and yeah that doc guy would not have been a dr if the character was an ISTJ)