On the contrary, these characters:INTJs don't scare you half so much as a nearly competent ISFJ. The Mastermind about to take over the world is eclipsed by the caring, gentle nurse attendant of your nightmares, huh? The cloying, suffocating, helpless... love. You'd label it INTJ to escape the sweet baby butterfly kisses?
I love you, man.
Suzaku Kururugi strikes me as far more INFJ (displaying Ni-Fe rather than Si-Fe - though this is entirely off the thread's topic), but yes, I agree with the general premise of the arguments that you and Aleksei have used.
"Challenge someone's thinking based on the logic clearly before you two" - Empirical thinking. Te.And he puts bottles of drugs into the hands of the crew. To show them the importance and value of his plan and make it real for them, he puts things into their hands. That's pretty intuitive.
Well, none of them has the slightest bit of training in the medical field, and the jargon in question is rather complicated as fuck. They were out of their depth. Rote memorization seems like the logical course of action.And seemingly the longest part of the preparation is having Mal, Zoe and Jayne rote learn some EMT jargon. (So Simon was intimately familiar with the security features of a modern hospitals and the criminal acquisition of uniforms, ID badges and keycards but likes to see people get details right... and the non-ISTJs Mal and Zoe can't seem to, except with a lot of repetition...)
Little sis is brilliant of course, he knows she is. He said so himself in the intro. The way she's acting she doesn't appear to be in full control of that powerfully logical brain of hers, though, so it's not exactly fair to blame him for not thinking she is. Not that any of this really matters of course, as none of it proves he's Fe rather than Fi (hint: he's not).River: "I don't want to go to that place, I don't want to die!"
Simon: "No, no one is going to die, it's okay. The others will take care of us whiile we're asleep. And when we get back--"
River: [demures emphatically]
Simon: "--No-no-no, shh-shh-shh, River. River, it's okay. This--this could be what we've been hoping for. When this is over, I'll be able to help you. I'll be able to make the nightmares go away. Okay? Lie back. It's time to go to sleep."
Way to take the decision out of Lil Sis' hands by not telling her what he expected to find with the scan. The scan was hopeful. And Lil Sis is already smart enough to know the scientific explanation of "We're going to be asleep." It's not like she could handle or be expected to be engaged in the process by some extroverted thinking description of what the scan was going to be useful for. And all that risk was going to be useful because Simon didn't know what else to do!
Anyone can come up with a plan, of course. The sheer intricacy and forethought of that plan however, says that an Ni-Te user came up with it.If one genuinely starts picking at the details of the Plan, it'll start to be that only extreme examples of types will fit whatever pattern is to be found, but still, what stops a moderately smart (aka gifted as fuck, just like his sister, because that's how they were both introduced) ISFJ being the mastermind for a day?
Little sis is brilliant of course, he knows she is. He said so himself in the intro. The way she's acting she doesn't appear to be in full control of that powerfully logical brain of hers, though, so it's not exactly fair to blame him for not thinking she is. Not that any of this really matters of course, as none of it proves he's Fe rather than Fi (hint: he's not).
Anyone can come up with a plan, of course. The sheer intricacy and forethought of that plan however, says that an Ni-Te user came up with it.
To rule out situational behaviours as explanations of personality.What for? To rule out personality-based explanations as explanations of personality?
sure, my underlying motivations to serve humanity as a whole at the expense of...Good plan. You're an ISFJ too.
Yes, I'll admit that planning a robbery alone doesn't class him as INTJ.Attribution error has to bite pretty hard here, I guess. Like, "He planned a robbery, he's INTJ". What is that--situational or personality-based? Actually, identify a single statement ever that attributes a personality type to anyone that doesn't fall under the rubric of attribution error.
nope just a shallow onePresumably you were suggesting some other, ah, deep insight, that would arise if one waved at attribution error?
To rule out situational behaviours as explanations of personality.
Like, for example, caring for the emotions of your brain-damaged sister and only person that matters to you in the whole universe.
Quite possible, but he does seem more Ti/Fe rather than Te/Fi. He lets things go almost instantly (Fe leaders are soft, Te leaders aren't), and he's got quite the heroic streak to him. The reason he looks Te is because Fillon can't play a non-Te character. I still say ENTP.Mal: ENTJ
S? Hell no. Inara is the second most obviously intuitive character aboard the ship, after River. She gives off a "mystical mentor" vibe very typical to NFJs, and shows a great deal of foresight.Inara: ESFJ
Wash is highly sociable, and his piloting style seems highly experimental ("improvisational" wasn't the right word -- apologies to Whatever, Se can be improvisational). He just tries different approaches he thinks up to get out of tight spots, and like Mal he does show a certain amount of foresight (this could of course be tertiary Ni, but that's highly unlikely given his Te is far too strong to be inferior -- he's actually better at planning capers than Mal is). ENFP.Wash: ISFP
Now this is lulzy. Simon, ESTP? Socially awkward, stuffy, businesslike Simon ESTP? Ni-on-crack Simon, who came up with an intricate plan to rob a fucking medical facility, ESTP? C'mon man, you can do better than that.Dr. Simon Tam: ESTP
Book seems a bit too quiet for an ENFJ, and not preachy enough.Derrial Book: ENFJ
Irrelevant. Simon's Feeling function is very obviously not Fe, which puts ISFJ off the map. And it's not like INTJs are incapable of being affectionate (maybe you are, but projecting's a bad idea ). You should see my INTJ best friend's conversations with his girlfriend... he makes Simon up there look like a Cyberman by comparison.That particular speech of his doesn't reek of emotional controls over empirical thinking? He was speechifying to obtain her consent and he appealled to what? Empirical thinking? Or faith in yer lovin' brother who cares for you? And who doesn't involve you in thinking about things because he cares for you most of all.
Plainly, since as far as we know he didn't inquire of her as to why she had slashed Jayne, he thinks she's not amenable to reasoned discussion and won't produce accurate reflections of her own condition, so--because he's all pragmatic and feeling deeply for his actions with respect to her--he puts on a big show of deep, functional concern so that she will comply?
Good to know this about INTJs, that emo-tripping we use to get people on board with our schemes.
Ni does that. Te takes care of contingencies, which he was doing, which involves detail work.Sheer intricacy, my ass. How many times must this be pointed out--global isn't intricate--INTJs overlook details in order to reach the big picture.
Fi. Fi. Fi!!!!!! That he, unlike you, is not a goddamn sociopath and cares for his sister (and no one else but his sister) is not proof he's an F type, it's proof he's a human fucking being. INTJs can very much care deeply, passionately for those close to them.How is everyone trying to think INTJs are this kind of pansy? INTJs do hysteria over other people not following their orders about processes and truth, not social insults. (Yeah yeah, Simon does that too when his parents don't believe him about River, so he bypasses them and attempts a rescue on his own--how very utilitarian and pragmatic--but how does he function on a day-to-day level... NOT INTJ. And I'll be snooty and caring if you don't believe me because I'll still love you. It's the INTJ way.)