Are you saying that Fe doms are whores?
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[MENTION=13260]Rasofy[/MENTION], you can have your shipping fee back upon return of Gylcerine safe and sound (provided she is in accordance with the arrangement).
Zarathustra said:
I just think many of y'all (not all, tho) are excessively concerned with lame in-group/out-group dynamics.
(but, once again, I don't think Fi-users are immune to this, per the FP hipster example.)
I just think Fe-users often tend to be more concerned with that stuff than Fi users.
It's like a matrix that Fe users seem highly connected to, that Fi users do not.
I think someone - OA maybe? - brought up that there is some overlap/confusion between Fe and the Social instinct variant. I think it's an excellent point, because they can come off similarly even though they orient differently. As far as I understand, So is a mechanism that identifies collective contexts, determines individual place in those contexts, and assists in optimizing one's position. This includes "in" and "out", as well as the million shades of gray in between, and "normal" and "abnormal". Then we have Fe, which is a thinking process of seeking to establish external order by creating value-based priorities and goals. Because Fe prioritizes in terms of external order, it is likely to be able to "feel" the in/out and accepted/unaccepted that are part of external social structure, though the lower-So Fe user probably doesn't place much importance on their personal place within groups beyond appropriate contribution (for example, my Sp-first ESFJ mom, who is very attentive to whether everyone is enjoying themselves and how to reorganize people for a more pleasant experience, but doesn't care much about her own position in the group), while the Fi dom/aux So-first may place much importance on their position in the collective, but not feel the need to influence external structure beyond their personal mobilization (for example, my INFP So-first hipster friend who self-defines in large part by choosing which music groups, coffeehouses, art movements, and social collectives she identifies with and which ones she does not, but is not interested in influencing others' individual behavior).
I suspect (anyone please correct me if I am wrong) that there can be a degree of frustration that accompanies a strong Fe user or So first/second observing someone who is "weird" to the extent that it creates problems for themself as well as social discord amongst others. Even as a strong Fi user I cringe around certain people who seem to have a native gift for being painfully awkward to a point where it is disruptive to everyone. I think there is a definite consciousness, though, for how purposeful/intentional it is. I have a family member who is very non-neurotypical, who tends to physically get too close when talking, ask poorly-timed questions, and switches subjects at his whims, and the Fe users of the family are some of the best at welcoming him and periodically redirecting him to make things easier for himself and everyone else. They don't seem to hold his unintentional weirdness against him - though they
do make value judgments on harmful behavior that he
could control but chooses not to, because that unnecessarily disrupts the external harmony that would otherwise be achieved. While Fi tends to assume live and let live, Fe is much more attuned to how each person's behavior influences the collective for better or for worse.
So - like you said, Z - it's a matrix that some are connected to more strongly than others. I think whether it's used in a self-serving manner or not, though, is very individual. I think that there is also a grain of truth to not taking those labels at a Fi level, because they may not be static character judgments but instead willful behavior judgments, as is more applicable on the Fe plane.