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Though the themes of the forum since late have mainly been focused on apparent misogyny and misandry on the forum, there is an undeniable hatred towards Fe in here it could be seen.
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Fe just looks like lying and falsehood and it becomes more and more like this in appearance the further away the perceiver is from Fe dominance and the closer the observed is to that same dominance.
Breadth vs depth I suppose. Fe is extensive, it creates generally applied boundries of human social conduct, what for i'm not really sure...there probably is a good reason that this exists I just havn't found or seen evidence for it yet but most likely it has something to do with...organisation? Old tribal mentalities passed along?
Or just making sure that we have characters to hate, both in real life and on dreary day-time drama television shows.
Fe just looks like lying and falsehood and it becomes more and more like this in appearance the further away the perceiver is from Fe dominance and the closer the observed is to that same dominance.
Breadth vs depth I suppose. Fe is extensive, it creates generally applied boundries of human social conduct, what for i'm not really sure...there probably is a good reason that this exists I just havn't found or seen evidence for it yet but most likely it has something to do with...organisation?
Van Der Hoop said:All the actions, thoughts, and observations of [Fe dominants] are, however, governed by the effort to establish relationships of feeling with other people. In this, feeling constantly seeks expression, and tries accordingly to arouse corresponding feelings in others, sometimes by means of almost imperceptible manifestations on their own part. The fine shading of their own emotional life enables them, moreover, to read the feelings of others from the smallest indications. [...]
While under the influence of powerful feelings, such people are able to exert great influence in their environment, particularly if they find support for their feelings in followers and onlookers. With most people of this type, however, feelings are expressed less in impressive actions than in the creation of a harmonious atmosphere. In their relationship with those around them they do their best to insist on friendliness and fair play, and they are usually conscientious and orderly even in small matters. Since they make similar demands on others, they frequently come into conflict with others, who do not always see the same necessity.
Plus I think it has to do with Fe being an Extraverted Judging function, so it acts on whatever information it is has at hand, as opposed to seeking new information (P functions). Fe acts in the external world to optimize the situation by creating structure, and I think that's where the general boundaries come in, so that we sort of have a basis for everyone interacting in a positive way. Fe utilizes external information, so a Fe user takes in whatever others put out into the environment and act accordingly.
It would be useful as an evolutionary tool; the emergence of an ingroup would allow some animals to survive where otherwise would not have. With groups watching out for each other (and helping to protect the brood and the mother when her survival tactics are compromised with the need to raise young) they would survive and it would become an advantage mutation. It has in my understanding been a critical tool for groups up until more or less the modern era so it has continuously developed and advanced into the Fe of today.
...and the next Fi/Fe shitting thread is off, people.
It's funny that people consider Fe to be lying and falsehood, because, in all honesty, I tend to view Fi as being hypocritical and self-absorbed. I'm sure Fi cares a lot about people, but it seems unwilling to accommodate them, and it usually won't even bother to explain why it won't accommodate hem. Instead they'll move the discussion towards something else, or conclude that it's "pointless" to talk about. Like, you want me to go out of my way to accomodate you, but you can't even explain why I should be doing this? That's probably, like, one of the few things I need.
Granted, some of that is Ti, not Fe.
Both good points. But something that has always bothered me about how Fe is described is that it is often outlined as a function depending entirely on environment and that without a positive environment it becomes used to bad practice and poor conduct, because that would be the social norm.
I can't imagine, for example, Fe ever coming up with ideas of rebellion or social change, without those ideas first being implanted in the Fe's environment by external sources. The flimsiness of this is quite frightening when you examine it.
Is it frightening? What doesn't require external sources in some shape or form? Fi owes everything to the extroverted perceiving function, without Se/Ne it would never be able to evaluate new data and be gradually shaped and refined into something new. Besides the Fe user has Ti to create a logical model which criticises the existing organisations and logical models of the world. The Fe user can take up arms because Fe isn't the only function they use.
That being said, if someone tells me something is "fine" I'm going to take them at their word. It's like, the minimum I need, not to be told things are "fine" when they clearly aren't. (And how is that not dishonest?)
I dont understand this about Fe users. Can't you read facial expressions? If someone tells you they're fine but they have a *strange* look on their face or their body language doesn't match their words, can't you see it?