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THANK you.Meanwhile, knowledge of Fe norms is just that, knowledge and ease of use, and you can either accept or rebel.
I think I've posted this once or twice. But here it is again:
0:56 mark.
THANK you.Meanwhile, knowledge of Fe norms is just that, knowledge and ease of use, and you can either accept or rebel.
THANK you.
I think I've posted this once or twice. But here it is again:
0:56 mark.
Yeah, I'm gonna have to make that my signature. Maybe the sentiment will get through everyone's skulls if they're exposed to it enough."You don't understand what the politics are, do you, Dave? You never have."
"No, I do. I just don't care."
^ Story of my life.
INxx fueled by Ni runs to its own drummer -- seeing visions in their entirety without being able to articulate how they got there, it's simply "true."
Meanwhile, knowledge of Fe norms is just that, knowledge and ease of use, and you can either accept or rebel. (The opposite of love is not hate, it's indifference.) It's not a big deal for Fe folk to go against established norms. My INFJ teen daughter is strong-willed and tends to read everything as a power struggle, even when I'm operating out of TP "Informative" mode... she'll interpret what was just information I was giving her to frame and guide a decision as trying to TELL her what to do, as her first mode of operation. (EDIT: The amusing part is that she acted fine around me the last episode of this, then bitched to my ex about it and how mad she was. Gotta love that tact.)
I don't think it's that complicated; one has to be careful not to apply MBTI too rigidly, especially in light of the natural variance within each type.
I was thinking about Fe in different positions when I read this. Like badger said, his inferior Fe is mostly a drive for arson, while a lot of Fe-dom and aux people are saying social rules are really not as important as truly bring aware of people's feelings and looking out for them in a more, um, mentally active way?
This brings me to think about Fe tert. I wonder if these Fe users would be the most prone to rely on social norms, since the same concept would be important to them, but the function is just not as strongly developed. Just a thought.
Also S/N distinctions I think play a factor. Intuitive types are going to be more prone to looking outside of the given structures and conventions , while sensors might skillfully maneuver within them.
Any thoughts?
Shh, you're fine! I think you put it very well, actually. No worries!I think one thing that we Fi users fail to realise is that Fe recognises that there are many types of 'social consensus'. There is not a single way to do what is best for the group, there may be many, existing on many different levels. Some of these things might be entirely contradictory. Some might be short-sighted and some might be considering long term goals. Some might be conservative or backward and some might be revolutionary. How Fe user decides which is best at any one time, I'm not sure - they'd probably be better at explaining this.
If you think of Fe as being focussed on the greater good, you can see why a Fe-user would rebel against the social mores if they felt that they weren't in line with that.
Please don't hurt me Fe-users.
I hope I'm not overstepping the line and that I've got this right. I just thought it would be helpful to explain this as a Fi user, who gets the way we misunderstand it. It took me a while to figure this out myself.
In what sense do you mean "rely on" social norms, though? As a method of navigating society, or as something that actively controls my movements in life?This brings me to think about Fe tert. I wonder if these Fe users would be the most prone to rely on social norms, since the same concept would be important to them, but the function is just not as strongly developed. Just a thought.
That's interesting. I would have said I worked within the system myself (Ne-dom), but I do so in order to beat the system. When I use Fe specifically in service of Ne, it's generally for forwarding my own ideas.Also S/N distinctions I think play a factor. Intuitive types are going to be more prone to looking outside of the given structures and conventions , while sensors might skillfully maneuver within them.
Jung saw Fe-users as people who align their opinions and views towards social norms. […]
"You don't understand what the politics are, do you, Dave? You never have."
"No, I do. I just don't care."
^ Story of my life.
It just means you tend to see certain things socially that others don't necessarily see. Does mean you're more likely to navigate with them in mind. Doesn't mean you necessarily find them compelling.
^ Same thing goes for the Social variant, for what it's worth.
It just means you tend to see certain things socially that others don't necessarily see. Does mean you're more likely to navigate with them in mind. Doesn't mean you necessarily find them compelling.
Thoughts on that?
I detest when this comes up.
It'd be akin to claiming that all Te-users living during and just after Copernicus's time believed that the sun revolved around the earth.
Nobody seems to recognize this. Norms are norms.