Ok, I get what you are saying now. I think the thing is that no two people, of any type, are the same. It's nature vs nurture, for one.
Also, the gender of the person in question. Females may fake or embrace their Fe earlier or better than men, who may never pay attention to Fe at all. This is why a lot of ENTP males - especially the younger ones - have this distinctive air of arrogance surrounding them.
In addition, age is a factor. And just because someone prefers a function, it doesn't mean that person uses it well. Meaning, there are a lot of ENTPs that don't use Ti "properly" at all and they aren't as "smart" as they think they are.
Also, there are is the enneagram. Now, I know nothing of ENTPs who are 8s. In fact, I never really knew they existed so I have much to learn, as well. But I know that some sevens are often mistyped as eights if their 8 wing is strong. I know that scattered 7s take on the characteristics of type 1 (perfectionist, critical) when unhealthy and are supposed to strive toward type 5 (focused) to be healthy or balanced. So depending on where 7s are in life, they could be seen a more 1ish or 5ish.
The other ENTP type that I know of is the type 3 achiever. 3s take on the characteristics of type 9 when stressed (disengaged) and type 6 when in growth (cooperative). Type 3 ENTPs are often confused for type 8s because both enneagram types are focused and driven. But the difference is in their motivations - the 8s want power and the 3s want to be admired. Of course, this is the most basic explanation.
i think i agree with everything you said.
my premise is that recognizing psychological patterns and attempting to understand the complexity of differences can easily take into account developmental factors. both systems are understood as centers of intelligence, and they intersect where attention, desires, and identity merge into awareness. awareness is a product of perception, judgment, and an ego complex/construct.
i think there are a number of basics that can be seen to influence ego development, and this affects cognitive development (altho i'm not putting one before the other- if i had to, i'd lean towards mb first). yet i think the basic template for cognitive function balance within type dynamics is pretty legit. ie as an infj 5 who felt out of order with Ni, stunted Fe, Ti, and then finally two-way Fe. theories of development that describe serious wing kick at 19 or 20ish, when the tertiary function is generally seen to assert itself as well. then elements of social existence, psychological development within social group situations (ie sports teams, classes at school, peer groups, etc) in addition to the basic family unit issues of parental relationships (identification, ambivalence, etc), birth order, dysfunctional family roles (hero, etc). role models and counterbalancing forces (ie my two all-time favorite teachers were entps).
i'm curious as to how you see improper Ti usage? Ti, to me, is just a system building function. it is an error-checking consistency/internal coherency maker. it creates principles, long causal chains, stories, etc. it isolates independent variables and focuses on understanding the relationship between them in the most technically perfect, power over them kind of way. it stores causality in its understanding of the world (which is why i continually, as a tertiary user, stumble in routine tasks where i just don't see the causal link that would solve an immediate problem, or make a practice/process more efficient. i don't have the causal awareness that they do, nor do i have the immediate critical ability to ask myself the right question to focus myself on the exact and precise relationship, to identify the variables, etc). i just kind of hover, wander around, implicate, until i SEE something in my mind's eye.
No, it has nothing to do with Te. Because Te is enneagram 1.
The reason it reflects Se is because Ne and Se both share the Extroverted Percieving attribute.
estj 8s?
type dynamics is more important in enneagram-mb synthesis than direct one-to-one function assignment. you use at least two functions well, possibly with hints of a third. your wing kicks in around the time your third is coming into focus. basic strategies involve a number of factors, tho many do seem to go together particularly well and exclude others.
i see 8 in conflict with entp, but not exclusive of it. yet 8 seems counterproductive to Ne dom, which gets jacked up by ideas, possibilities, new areas to explore. this is a classic 7 Ne, but i think it also works for hte 4w3 entp i know. Ne wants newness at all times. 8 is more focused, more goal-oriented, has a more specific control agenda, which seems so antithetical to Ne dom. i can't see where it would go, more Ti could make it more intp 5 --> entp 8ish, like a well-integrated intp 5 but with shit for short-term memory (think a well-integrated, slightly extroverted, high as shit intp 5). Ti and 5 do want control, and go from chart-the-course (introverted j, directive) to in-charge (extroverted j, directive) in 5 to 8. but it's just a little bit, it's still far more naturally responsive and less controlling (Ne is naturally informing, not directing, and intps are more behind-the-scenes unless their 5ness is exaggerated, bc Ne tempers Ti so much (whereas istp is chart-the-course first and foremost).