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that article animenagai posted - i think it's a great article if you're really a 4w3 but if you're actually a 7 it makes you sound like a hollow, sensation-driven shell. i can't see any ENFP 7 resonating with that description.
i really thought 4 and Fi could have a lot of overlap. being in touch with your emotions, seeking the identity of oneself and of others. maybe i'm misunderstanding 4, but i'm pretty convinced i'm not a 4, and yet i resonate with a lot of things in that article pertaining to 4w3. i definitely have a sense of fantasy lingering and seek identity - but i seek identity primarily in others, not in myself. i don't think it's as easy as saying if you seek identity, you're a 4, and if you don't, you're not. ENFPs seek external idealized stimulation (Ne) and internal subjective identity (Fi). this author is lumping external and objective, and internal and ideal, together. but they're not the same thing. the two can be split apart and recombined.
you think? i don't even know if i'm a 7 and i'm ticked off.
The only thing innately 4ish about the ENFP is the inferior, less used, Introverted Sensing function, which can produce a strong sentimentality for past experiences.
i really thought 4 and Fi could have a lot of overlap. being in touch with your emotions, seeking the identity of oneself and of others. maybe i'm misunderstanding 4, but i'm pretty convinced i'm not a 4, and yet i resonate with a lot of things in that article pertaining to 4w3. i definitely have a sense of fantasy lingering and seek identity - but i seek identity primarily in others, not in myself. i don't think it's as easy as saying if you seek identity, you're a 4, and if you don't, you're not. ENFPs seek external idealized stimulation (Ne) and internal subjective identity (Fi). this author is lumping external and objective, and internal and ideal, together. but they're not the same thing. the two can be split apart and recombined.
In fact, a 7 in real life may be quite dissappointing to a 4. Everything Riso and Hudson claims about 7s is true. Their is little idealized fantasy in them. [...] They say, "Oh! This is awesome! This is great," and then one disappointment and they completely loose interest for that moment, and, as one 7-winger, put it "life s*cks" for that moment. They have absolutely no interest, no fantasy lingering, like a 4. [...] It is pure mental stimulation that is their core need, completely unlike a 4's, which is identity. [...] Fours...cherishing beautiful objects of the sake of their beauty and the feelings that beauty awakens in them. A stone picked up on the beach or a twig with a single bud can quicken their aesthetic feelings and satisfy them. By contrast, while average Sevens want to possess beautiful objects, they become increasingly unappreciative and insensitive to the beauty or value of those objects. The 4 will experience a real appreciation of beauty (in things, fantasy, emotions, etc.) vs. the 7's fleeting materialistic interest. [...] 7s and 7-wingers may indeed be NFs, a characteristic which has nothing innately to do with identity issues. They don't have the issues around the desire of being yourself and being understood like 4s do. [...] Some people may take offense to the characterization of the 7 as "more shallow" than the 4.
you think? i don't even know if i'm a 7 and i'm ticked off.