Ivy
Strongly Ambivalent
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You'll want to stop that.
Indeed, Marm. It might make you less attractive to insecure dudes, and really, isn't that the most important thing?
You'll want to stop that.
Perhaps a feminist could explain something to me...
How in the world can 50% of a population be a "minority group" (and not just by numbers, in any sense of the word..). I've always thought it a bit weird that a group that in some cases out number the out-group could be oppressed. If so, how? Based on physicality? The days of brute force being a major factor in survival are long gone. If women are treated differently (which they are, I'm not saying that they aren't) wouldn't it be due to vestiges of what it meant to be human? How can you dislike a people for being who they evolved to be? Is it not within every man's nature to "protect women"? What women see as "them being owned" I've always seen as "men protecting women". From what? From the harsh realities of the world! Women, I think, have always been considered "too special" or "too pure" to participate in the brutality that the world has to offer. Why any women would willingly choose that is beyond me...but then again, why I choose to participate in the brutality of the world is a mystery to me as well..
If the argument is "Well, I don't want or need protection" then my response is simple; "Well, I want to give it to you". Of course, if you feel that you want room to grow and develop and "be your own person" that's all well and good too..but I don't see how it's a bad thing to want to provide for a woman. It's baffling...it really is. Perhaps the application of this want is a bit off, and perhaps we have taken it to extremes in the past (we are men after all, extremes is what we do..lol), but how can they're be anything but appreciation for this? What, we love you "too much"?
Feminism, it seems, is nothing more than just a body of thought that can be reduced to this "Men don't understand what women want.." to which the answer is "Well, duh you keep on being dissatisfied with whatever we provide! Do you want us to leave you alone? Do you want us to not provide for you? No? Then why don't you just tell us, in no uncertain terms, what the hell you want?!?"
"Oh well, it's complicated.."
I think every man is well aware of just how complicated it is.
And I love how I'm going to be accused of being a misogynist when my intentions are nothing but pure. It seems the definition of misogyny is "loving women to a fault". What fault? Whatever fault the women of the day feel like saying is a fault..
I mean, men went to the moon! To the moon! How can we go to the moon but still not be able to understand women? You want to know how? They are understandable and they are doing it on purpose.
ughh..im done...I really don't want to post this..but I will anyway..
Indeed, Marm. It might make you less attractive to insecure dudes, and really, isn't that the most important thing?
It's not interesting at all that she doesn't use the same behavior with other men. She's not interested in those other men, and whatever insecurity she has or jealousy only pertains to her significant other.
Genearally insecurity and jealousy are at the heart of controlling behavior. And of course the more out of control and unreasonable it is, the more abusive it becomes, like in terms of violence and things.
I mean, all I want in life is male approval. Even the approval of males I want nothing to do with, just by virtue of them being male.
Well its only not interesting if you don't care about the source and motivation of the behavior. Implicit in your argument that "She's not interested in those other men" is that other men have nothing to offer her AND/OR her behavior is motivated by some relationship issue. Hrm... you'd think she'd attempt to manipulate other people around her: it seems (to me anyway) odd that this would be the only situation she uses these tactics. I've never seen her with her family so no help there.
Maybe it's because I've been in a relationship with a controlling abuser, but I just happen to know what a text book abuser is like, and they can be fine upstanding members of society who are nice to their friends and everybody likes.
No question. Some of the worst present the best public face.
Yep, she's not in love with those men. I don't know it troubles you that she doesn't think those men have anything to offer her, because she specifically wants her mate, not those other guys.
It only troubles me in the sense that I see it as a tactic to get what she wants. Ergo, it seems odd that she would only use it in a VERY specific situation. You on the other hand seem to be saying that would be the case because of underlying relationship dynamics. If so, it’s less a tactic than a symptom. That is interesting as the only abusive people I've known of have been assholes in just about all aspects of their lives once you got past the superficial presentation. Those have all been men so maybe that skews my perceptions of the issue.
Indeed, Marm. It might make you less attractive to insecure dudes, and really, isn't that the most important thing?
Surely you don't think I'm "insecure" because I disagree with Feminism?
I do. Especially since you made the comment that I'd better stop that.
I do. Especially since you made the comment that I'd better stop that.
Certainly: you'd better stop holding, and being vocal about, a ludicrous ideology. How this is indicative of "insecurity" remains an enigma.
HAHAHA. I'm not going to change my ideology for some stranger on the Internet. You're not even making a valid argument.
Thanks for your time though, bro.
By the way, if you tell me what to do, I'll tell you what to do: go read some history books, particularly ones about the state of society rather than about war or conquest.
Don't forget the dark. So scawy. *shivers*I don't know about ya'll, but I was panicking just watching that commercial. The airport? Under construction? They're going to need more than tires to keep that car safe.