Wading in to this sort of thing is not what I'd normally do, but for crying out loud ....
We spend all this time complaining that men don't understand us, then set about one who's trying to do just that.... No wonder they complain about female logic
Oh my. Wifey's on the warpath!
You seem to be as fond of making spurious claims as your hubby.
I don't have a problem with Xander. He starts some interesting threads and he can be fun to argue with - but the way he spoke to Ina in this thread was waaaay out of order.
Let's just break down the OP shall we, and I'll point out some of the many layers of fail, since it seems that love may have blinded your own capacity for logic.
In another thread Santtu made a comment about women lacking a decent concept of how to be powerful without being pissy.
Women lack the concept? Srsly. What does that even mean? We can't understand what he's talking about? So why even raise the question?
Women rarely ever seem to combine guts & coolness gracefully. I guess the most of them try to play nice, and those who can't, let it all out in the open in quite an uncool manner.
I'd say they have a lot to learn from men. Perhaps they don't understand the style of having guts. Perhaps they misinterpret it as an attempt in maximum harshness.
Must be the lack of good social models for that in their own gender. A self-perpetuating phenomenon.
This misogynistic ill-concieved rant was the basis for this thread. A post so contemptuous and full of troll that I had to delete my original response to it. It just wasn't even worth responding to
I figured there's a lack of decent role models for this behaviour. Women who have power and presence without gaining it or expressing it via beating others down.
First of all, let's assume the original premise: "women can't be powerful without being pissy" is true - we know it isn't true because lots of people have cited examples which disprove the premise (conveniently ignored by Xander, I might add, despite the fact that he ASKED for them). But let's just say for the sake of argument, it is true.
What does that have to do with role models? Women in power are the exception, not the rule. They are trail-blazers. Their role models, if they have any, are more likely to be men than women. So why aren't they emulating the masculine model of dignified restraint that Xander/Santtu espouse?
Why assume that women have to have female role-models, anyway? I find the entire idea bizarre, frankly.
I figured a thread discussing the various role models out there might be interesting as I can't think of more than a few women who have achieved an adequate amount of presence, confidence and relaxed alpha behaviour without putting others down.
Hopefully, this thread has helped with the burden of Xander's ignorance in this matter.
One example I plucked out of the air whilst musing this was Fay Ripley. Having seen her on Top Gear she seemed totally unfazed by the male dominated atmosphere and appeared relaxed and herself. Almost as if she accepted herself as "zany" even when she messed up she just laughed with everyone else and carried on happy to be the but of the joke as much as the joker.
That's the best he can do? A ditzy car show presenter who manages not to be fazed by her male co-presenters and is happy to be the butt of jokes?
Srsly.
And we were supposed to find this argument compelling why, exactly?
Whenever you want to have a serious discussion about women and power, feel free.