Nickels
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- Jan 5, 2009
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- MBTI Type
- ENTP
I feel that truly intelligent people are well rounded, not specialist. Not saying that some one who is a specialist is unintelligent in any manner. Just that the more well rounded you are the better off you are.
I have always prided my self in the ability to switch, to change on the fly, the very essence of "P", there is no right or wrong, only shades of gray. Small changes in plans are no big deal, if there is a plan, its always a lose allocation of ideas, never something written in stone.
However I was raised with 2 very opposing forces in my life as a child. That had very different views on right and wrong, black and white. Shades of gray.
I would like to discuss the psychological effects of being ENTP, being raised by an INTJ, and an ESFP.
Naturally from a young age I had schedule, not any schedule mind you. But my fathers strict and rigorous schedule. Only looking back now as a man do I realize how strict it really was. From a young age my father instilled in me the importance of reading, math, science, exercise, diet, finishing the job you start, schedule, being on time, and most importantly how to control people.
We started young, at the age of 7, my father bought me a Chess set and went about teaching me how to "play the game".
Any one who knows an INTJ very well will understand the importance of Chess and large scale strategy. My father gave me tips on how to control my teachers, my class mates, my siblings and my mother. The never ending goal was to teach me that I could get what I wanted, most of the time, but at the same time tricking the other person into thinking that's what they wanted as well.
Only now as an adult do I fully understand the depth of the things he taught me at such a young age. How it effects everything I do, I have this underlying strategic system that dictates my every day actions. This is more or less like the televisions in George Orwell's 1984, I can turn it down, but never off. This code of conduct could more or less be seen as my moral compass.
The world is a game and most people are pawns, some are kings and queens. However I believe it is the INTJ's that play, not the pieces them selves.
Now, couple this man with the most typical ESFP woman you can imagine. Fell in love at 15, abortion at 16, married a few times, new places, new towns, new people, did you do anything new today? How about we try something new, or eat someplace new? We can go on vacation somewhere we've NEVER BEEN BEFORE?! doesn't that sound exciting?
With my mothers lacking Ni function she never really seemed to understand anything I was saying...ever. But we(my INFJ brother and I) were put through the rigorous system of newness my mother decided was necessary for children. All the while I would get to practice my "chess game" with all the new kids I got to play with. And although I never really got along well with her growing up, other than the obvious MBTI reasons why we didn't get along, I always thought her advice from a young age was stupid and worthless. Always about how to interact with children, or how to deal with situations. Where as when I went to my father for advice I would find practical uses for just about everything he said. Her advice always seemed to be filled with concern for others "feelings" something INTJ dad and I never really discussed. Feelings, other peoples and our own were something foreign, other than his nightly kiss on the forehead before bed, until I turned 10. Then as dad said "its time to cut that shit out son, your not a kid any more"
ESFP mother thought it would be a good idea to take INFJ brother and I to church on random sundays. When I would come home, INTJ father would ask me what the service was about, I would tell him, then he would go through our Bible and point out all the hypocrisy with in the church service. He did this every time our mother took us to Church, so she eventually stopped taking us.
I learned from her how to deal with those less intelligent than you, but who hold more power over you. It is a difficult task that I think most ENTPs take a very long time to learn. Growing up I hated this fact, how I could find logical reasons why it was a bad idea to do what ever the hell my ESFP mother wanted to do, yet she still seemed to pull her trump card on us that " life's not fair and sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do" usually I would do what every the hell I wanted to do anyways, but that is besides the point.
She taught me the importance of experiencing through the 5 senses. That not all of life was just about ideas and the hypothetical. Keeping an eye about you and yours and certain other things only an ESFP mother can teach. Really keeping my feet on the ground while my father kept my head in the clouds.
So The real question is how have your parents MBTI helped shape your world. I am an ENTP however I understand the values of ESFP and INTJ very well.
Lets go to a new place and control every one there? Seems reasonable for the ENTP with the INTJ father and ESFP mother eh?
P.S
One of my favorite games to play as a child would be to find another child I disliked, and to see how many children I could use to make his or her life a living hell. I was a pretty terrible kid.
I have always prided my self in the ability to switch, to change on the fly, the very essence of "P", there is no right or wrong, only shades of gray. Small changes in plans are no big deal, if there is a plan, its always a lose allocation of ideas, never something written in stone.
However I was raised with 2 very opposing forces in my life as a child. That had very different views on right and wrong, black and white. Shades of gray.
I would like to discuss the psychological effects of being ENTP, being raised by an INTJ, and an ESFP.
Naturally from a young age I had schedule, not any schedule mind you. But my fathers strict and rigorous schedule. Only looking back now as a man do I realize how strict it really was. From a young age my father instilled in me the importance of reading, math, science, exercise, diet, finishing the job you start, schedule, being on time, and most importantly how to control people.
We started young, at the age of 7, my father bought me a Chess set and went about teaching me how to "play the game".
Any one who knows an INTJ very well will understand the importance of Chess and large scale strategy. My father gave me tips on how to control my teachers, my class mates, my siblings and my mother. The never ending goal was to teach me that I could get what I wanted, most of the time, but at the same time tricking the other person into thinking that's what they wanted as well.
Only now as an adult do I fully understand the depth of the things he taught me at such a young age. How it effects everything I do, I have this underlying strategic system that dictates my every day actions. This is more or less like the televisions in George Orwell's 1984, I can turn it down, but never off. This code of conduct could more or less be seen as my moral compass.
The world is a game and most people are pawns, some are kings and queens. However I believe it is the INTJ's that play, not the pieces them selves.
Now, couple this man with the most typical ESFP woman you can imagine. Fell in love at 15, abortion at 16, married a few times, new places, new towns, new people, did you do anything new today? How about we try something new, or eat someplace new? We can go on vacation somewhere we've NEVER BEEN BEFORE?! doesn't that sound exciting?
With my mothers lacking Ni function she never really seemed to understand anything I was saying...ever. But we(my INFJ brother and I) were put through the rigorous system of newness my mother decided was necessary for children. All the while I would get to practice my "chess game" with all the new kids I got to play with. And although I never really got along well with her growing up, other than the obvious MBTI reasons why we didn't get along, I always thought her advice from a young age was stupid and worthless. Always about how to interact with children, or how to deal with situations. Where as when I went to my father for advice I would find practical uses for just about everything he said. Her advice always seemed to be filled with concern for others "feelings" something INTJ dad and I never really discussed. Feelings, other peoples and our own were something foreign, other than his nightly kiss on the forehead before bed, until I turned 10. Then as dad said "its time to cut that shit out son, your not a kid any more"
ESFP mother thought it would be a good idea to take INFJ brother and I to church on random sundays. When I would come home, INTJ father would ask me what the service was about, I would tell him, then he would go through our Bible and point out all the hypocrisy with in the church service. He did this every time our mother took us to Church, so she eventually stopped taking us.
I learned from her how to deal with those less intelligent than you, but who hold more power over you. It is a difficult task that I think most ENTPs take a very long time to learn. Growing up I hated this fact, how I could find logical reasons why it was a bad idea to do what ever the hell my ESFP mother wanted to do, yet she still seemed to pull her trump card on us that " life's not fair and sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do" usually I would do what every the hell I wanted to do anyways, but that is besides the point.
She taught me the importance of experiencing through the 5 senses. That not all of life was just about ideas and the hypothetical. Keeping an eye about you and yours and certain other things only an ESFP mother can teach. Really keeping my feet on the ground while my father kept my head in the clouds.
So The real question is how have your parents MBTI helped shape your world. I am an ENTP however I understand the values of ESFP and INTJ very well.
Lets go to a new place and control every one there? Seems reasonable for the ENTP with the INTJ father and ESFP mother eh?
P.S
One of my favorite games to play as a child would be to find another child I disliked, and to see how many children I could use to make his or her life a living hell. I was a pretty terrible kid.