My version was trying to see it as INTJ-analogue: discounting the giant black hole that is Ni, if INTJs are what they do in the outside world (via Te decision), then INFJs are what they make feel in the outside world (via Fe decision). And vice versa.
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Something. I dunno. But see, Te is evaluative, as is Fe, and evaluations are evaluations... Thinking evaluations are not automatically objective just because they use the words "true" and "false", no more so than Fe is objective just for using the words "good" and "bad". Nonetheless, both intend objectivity... don't they? And are able to reach it--somehow--right? No Fe user is really saying, oh, go ahead, don't worry about this feeling or that, it's all subjective anyway!
i think the asepct of extraverted judging to focus on is limitation, restriction, attention to the possibilities emanating from the actual rather than theoretical internal consistency. this is what makes objectivity. it is not a private language but a shared language, tho each of us can use the tools of extraverted judging for our own individual ends. i'm thinking Te is impersonal whereas Fe is personal (which means asocial vs social, relating in terms of objective vs in terms of our own unique sense of self), but both in fact intend a level of objectivity in the sense that they are derived nd peformed/enacted from outside the subject.
A concept that I can't well explain. Something of value is rarely "objective", unless you mean from an objective stand point, it's useful to have values. I throw the terms "good" "nice" etc about quite loosely and I do apologize for not defining what I meant. Good, nice, acceptable... they're all just a stand-in for acts that are socially regarded as being important to cultivate. There is no definition for good or evil, unless there's a group consensus. Since every individuals opinion varies slightly. All Fe takes from it is the "average" opinion based on everything Ni perceived subjectively and evaluate base on that guideline.
It might not be true for other types... But as an Ni dominant, true objectivity is impossible. Under that assumption, Fe has no problems making subjective decisions so long as the decision is based on a balanced set of view points. Here is where the Ti analysis comes in to cross check.
Which makes the decision process of INTJs a bit of a puzzlement. How can you be objective if you recognize true objectivity is not possible? What is "truth"? Or does it not matter and you're simply making do with the closest approximation of truth?
i agree. i find true objectivity to be an irrelevant concept. we operate under logical and linguistic constraints, and in a very real sense, these type of concepts only point out the limit of our current abilities to speak well with the tools and the palette of technical communication that we currently have in place. turning the world's complexity into a discourse is largely unnecessary except in areas where the discourse is breaking down or is bleeding and needs a bit of love and care.
social value and collective good are always going to be contingent upon the prepositions and the direct/indirect objects of the sentence. to whom and for what and always why, why, why. too many different motivations, cross-purposes, and divergent needs that do not match up. hence the struggle.
i think the intj sense of truth is largely based on "does it solve my problem." it's the ultimate pragmatism. it has the silent pull of Fi to shade it from underneath. truth is just an application of the best available solution, like a test, not the right answer but the best choice possible given what we do in fact know (premise).
this ultimate difference is in the way in which Ti or Fi shapes our motivations. Ti wants truth and conceptual cleanness. Fi wants something more subjective and unique to experience. teh weight and distribution of these tertiary functions has a lot to do with how the other functions are balanced and expressed.
If stuff out there tends to admit stable conceptual structure, then evaluations persist and end up trustworthy.
Which is why I don't get Fe types waltzing around claiming subjectivity. Sure, feelin's are felt, the experience is subjective, but there's some kind of stability in there somewhere too, in't there? This sign is a marker for that feeling, tears and a smile and a flower in the hand denote... he's having an affair and faking an drinking problem too! Stuff like that. Regular truth-like connections between one marker and another feeling. How else do you get to be seers?
to me this stability is the marker of extraverted judging. this is what is here, so extraverted judging answers objections "so what?" it is what it is. let's stay focused, people. chart the course!
a more detailed analysis, tho, there is the stability of the language itself. we are masters of the language of emotion (values, relating to the world, desires, social sense of self). the stability is in the universality, the recognizability, the consistency of symbols and signs. whereas introverted judgers have a different brand of experience that is weighed categorized and compared before it is postmarked and shipped anywhere. yet no key, no map, no set of records is explicitly kept. it takes a while to open up each package and describe the contents in a meaningful way. the thread running through them is the thread of history.
Te is apt to claim objectivity (apparently). Perhaps because it doesn't have to feel. The emphasis is not on the subjective. Fe in contrast is right in there being affective.
But still there's structuring going on--learning, creating. Both Te and Fe are there saying yes or no (for their different reasons, according perhaps to their differing structures) to things going on out there.
For the INXJ the semi-conscious tertiary i function is in there providing a check, an unwritten but demanding extra law--for the INTJ to occasionally burst into tears and the INFJ to occasionally go cold like stone. The E-types have no such check, they burst instead into action. Later they think/cry about it.
Blahdiblahdiblah and therefore NTJs are as nasty as we seem iff NFJs are as nice as they seem.
extraverted judging just focuses on the question at-hand. for Te there is an objective that can be solved thru logical technical problem-solving steps. for Fe there is a disruption in the vision/animation that can be smoothed over or re-negotiated or maneuvered via Fe attention to feeling, emotional environment, the art of persuasion, emotional catalyzing and preparing the way for a shared group understanding/consensus/arrangement that will achieve some sort of satisfying end for all members. satisfying everybody, getting them on the same page, workin the social chemistry, inspiring action, motivating, etc. Fe and Fi can do the same things. Fe just pays more attention to the externalities of the situation, whereas Fi uses its own reservoir of experience to organize its understanding in the current domain of social discourse.
both extraverted judging types want to fix problems. sometimes this is for our own ends, sometimes this is for others. we can be gentle and selfish, intj can be rude and generous. the question of niceness as such is mostly irrelevant i find to both types, when all is said and done, tho infj is far more likely to care about how others perceive them. motivations enneagram wise play a big part in this as well, but intj is better at screening out F self-image based noise blaring away in the environment than poor lowly nfjs.
the wheel that squeaks...