“If ISTPs have developed their powers of observing the world around them, they will have a firm grasp on the realities of any situation, and show a great capacity for the important and unique facts of a situation. They are interested in how and why things work and are likely to be good at applied science, mechanics, or engineering. ISTPs who do not have technical or mechanical interests often use their talents to bring order out of unorganized confusion. This ability can find expression in law, economics, marketing, sales, securities, or statistics.”
I would say that based on the definitions above, Se makes us technical or technique oriented in some capacity. Otherwise regardless of gender, you may want to rethink your temperament.1. belonging or pertaining to an art, science, or the like: technical skill.
2. peculiar to or characteristic of a particular art, science, profession, trade, etc.: technical details.
3. using terminology or treating subject matter in a manner peculiar to a particular field, as a writer or a book: a technical report.
4. skilled in or familiar in a practical way with a particular art, trade, etc., as a person.
5. of, pertaining to, or showing technique.
6. technically demanding or difficult: a technical violin sonata; a technical ski run.
7. designed or used for technically demanding sports or other activities: technical apparel.
8. pertaining to or connected with the mechanical or industrial arts and the applied sciences: a technical school.
9. so considered from a point of view in accordance with a stringent interpretation of the rules: a military engagement ending in a technical defeat.
10. concerned with or dwelling on technicalities: You're getting too technical for me.
11. noting a market in which prices are determined largely by supply and demand and other such internal factors rather than by general business, economic, or psychological factors that influence market activity: technical weakness or strength.
Why give my opinion since the facts speak for themselves? But if you need to know my opinion, how is this? In my opinon there is already too much opinion being spewed on the forums. Many people cannot or do not know how to discern the difference between facts and their opinion. It's one reason that so much irrelevant bickering occurs because if people would take the time to actually read about type instead of scanning and then blurting their intentions or understanding that many of the comparisons cannot be made because people cannot appreciate the systems being compared are inherently different then we (or at least I) could move on to discussing possible theories). Otherwise it's like having to painfully go over the basic principles and discuss things on a rudimentary level when we speak of dichotomies, J/P usage, T/F being=intellect/emotions, Keirsey=MBTI, Socionics uses different functions, etc."?", I wish you would say what you think sometimes, instead of quoting people all the time.
Is the stuff on the website "facts"? Or merely opinions that are stated as facts? We have no way of judging that since they don't provide the basis for their judgment. They simply state it as "fact". At least here, we can compare our experiences and attempt to factor in biases.
Facts are relative, unless they can be proven differently. The facts in this case are that people far more knowledgeable about type than I have their information available. If I want to share my personal opinion then I would start a blog. Is Keirsey stating facts about temperament. I don't know, if you have evidence that he is not show it. If you don't then you are only providing another opinion with no concrete evidence for support. Is Jung correct in his definitions of the cognitive functions? How would I know, but he did create them as far as we know unless you can show evidence that they were created prior to Jung. So what I think about it personally is irrelevant.I concur with nightning, I don't come to be inundated with the "facts"- this is no science. I come to discuss with people and how they use some ideas about personality typing in their own lives. I'm just curious about what *you* think about some of this stuff- not what "XXXX-types are Y, Z, and K".
What does this mean exactly? Bringing order to confusion is probably what anybody regardless of type would do when faced with massive amount of information. Organize it in some fashion such that you can interpret the data. Unless you want to use the stereotype of Fs running away in face of lots of numbers...ISTPs who do not have technical or mechanical interests often use their talents to bring order out of unorganized confusion. This ability can find expression in law, economics, marketing, sales, securities, or statistics.”
Agreed, which is why I see this post as your subjective opinion. It has no validity for anyone unless they think similarly. So what's your point? You could poll this forum to determine who agrees and disagrees with you, however in the end it's still your subjective belief since the ISTP description would only pertain to those who consider themselves that type or those who may be considering themseleves that type.I guess at the end of the day, I don't believe stuff people feed me unless I can confirm that it's reliable.
Ahh… it was Color and Nightning’s attempt to discredit me indirectly, most likely from responding to the sacred cow (Socionics) or because I my discussion with Lemons recently. We veered from the subject.I don't know what the hell's going on above, but as far as the topic is concerned:
You are absolutely right that we enjoy taking things apart to resolve a problem. I think where most miss the boat on this, is assuming that the problem has to be tangible. I personally prefer to take apart intangible problems in the name of troubleshooting. It should also be noted from your observation that as Joe Butts says in his description at typelogic.com, ISTPs can seem to lie low and not exert energy like ESPs, until they see a problem worth their while. They then go into a frenzy (or at least the appearance of a frenzy by onlookers) on fixing the problem.My ISTP friend is always taking things apart and putting them back together. Whenever a situation requires this of her, she gets all excited and focused. Hooray, she says, I have to figure this out! And often as not, she seems to deuce out a long-standing problem, that she will then articulate to everyone else at work; both the nature of the trouble, and how to avoid it.
Agreed and I am not sure of your connotation of the word, however technical again does not have to be a tangible and can just as easily be intangible. Technical does not necessarily = technology although it can. The definitions of the word broadens the ability to be technical, thus as I stated in an earlier post, all SPs are technical oriented. It’s the readers understanding of the work that limits its usage.Answering the OP:
All of the ISTP women that I have known have been amazingly gifted concerning anything technical. It's like it almost came natural to them.