Ask me Socionics junk

[Jeremy8419]

I'm following you, I think. Socionics delves into all the functions and layers them to form a whole. Not unlike MBTI, but I understand their definitions are not the same.

Still, how is it not possible to mistype in socionics?

To use your example: how do you know you are EII? How do you know you haven't mixed up your creative function with your role function dependent upon what "situation" you were in when you took the test?

It seems that if socionics is more fluid and this flexibility allows for a "type" to fall in line more accurately within its more encompassing definitions - because of how broad that scope is, it would also be less definitive by nature.

Basically, where is your baseline and how do you know it is accurate according to socionics?

Well, keep in mind, I already disclosed that Socionics in itself does not consider Time within it's model; that is, it, MBTI, and the other typology systems have no logical structure to track changes over time in one's cognition. For this reason, I am not actually an adherent of Socionics, but I am able to use the combined logic of all the minds that go into it for my own logical thinking; e.g., heuristics.

I don't typically think of my own emotional state, nor how it changes per situation, but I am capable of doing such things, and often do in private. I altered my emotional state to the as little distortions as possible which I have experienced in my life. I call it "clearing one's frame." Then I took a regular dichotomous test. Overall, it would be erasure of as much distortion as possible. In-so-doing, EII was the highest level I could go with my current information (in the Socionics sense).

SLI is considered one level higher, by some accounts, and is the bifurication of the "Socion," upon which the next stage of the individual would occur. This is by Gulenko, another LII. Yermak similarly has a rough template of a 4D version of Socionics that hypothesizes combining Socionics with Time Parameter (in Socionics lingo), but neither one of them has concretized these hypothesis into a formal structure with discrete matrices. As I said earlier in the thread as well, this is due to the LSI being responsible for doing such, and his version would most likely be practical life that has nothing to do with typology lol.

One's "correct type," imo, to answer your primary question, is the dissolution of type. I, myself, am most interested in the pathways to do such, that I may assist others in such with as few wrong turns as possible. (it's an EII "want efficiency" thing)

 

[Numbly Aware]

The models and descriptions of the composite parts are different. Also, the phenomena that they seek to model is different. Socionics models what MBTI attempts to model, but also models the conditions and circumstances when people think in different ways.

As pointed out earlier in the thread, Socionics shows when and how I will come across as a different type than my core type, because it considers Situation. MBTI simply tells you what you "are" with no regards to the situation.

My question is, can an individual be so extreme in a moment, be so far away from their "real" self?
Example: "Ouch! You stepped on my toe." Since they screamed "ouch" means they have an ability to be part of screaming?

 

[Numbly Aware]

Ice-cream has sugar.

Some use sugar in their Macaroni...
(Don't worry I get your point)
Still, can their behavior be so different to not "connect" an INFp to an INFJ?
I see them similar in their reactions.

 

[Jeremy8419]

My question is, can an individual be so extreme in a moment, be so far away from their "real" self?
Example: "Ouch! You stepped on my toe." Since they screamed "ouch" means they have an ability to be part of screaming?

That would be ESE, and it could be on any level of their psyche.

 

[Jeremy8419]

Some use sugar in their Macaroni...
(Don't worry I get your point)
Still, can their behavior be so different to not "connect" an INFp to an INFJ?
I see them similar in their reactions.

Well, again, for one, INFJ is 1-2% of the general population. What leads you to believe that either INFp or INFj are 1-2% of the population? What if the population distributions are normalized, and each type is 1/16th of the general population?

If you "see them similar in their reactions," then you have already made the assumption that the distributions are equivalent between systems. You have also made the assumption that the two systems attempt to explain the same phenomenon, but as I've stated several times, they are explaining different phenomenon.

 

[Numbly Aware]

Well, again, for one, INFJ is 1-2% of the general population. What leads you to believe that either INFp or INFj are 1-2% of the population? What if the population distributions are normalized, and each type is 1/16th of the general population?

I don't believe in 1/16 distributions of the population. I do believe in organization.

How can we know that an INFJ is exactly 1.5% of the population? This is just an assumption (a very close one), based on analysis.

If their fundamentation is the same, then shouldn't the results be equal? INFJ reactions 1% of the population and INFp reactions would also be 1% of the population.

What if the people who tested mbti never tested socionics...(example) ESFJ... then the results would differ in socionics not adding up to mbti population. But, does this make them different? No.
Just means there was a miscalculation.

How could we test everyone? Maybe, based on worldly reactions we could. But, then again, is this their true self? (rhetorical)

If you "see them similar in their reactions," then you have already made the assumption that the distributions are equivalent between systems. You have also made the assumption that the two systems attempt to explain the same phenomenon, but as I've stated several times, they are explaining different phenomenon.

I believe there is fundamental truth behind everything.

 

[Numbly Aware]

My question is, can an individual be so extreme in a moment, be so far away from their "real" self?
Example: "Ouch! You stepped on my toe." Since they screamed "ouch" means they have an ability to be part of screaming?

That would be ESE, and it could be on any level of their psyche.

The answer is yes. But, we live on a timeline, and nothing lasts forever. Everything changes, grows, or dies.

I actually disregard levels of psyche. I do believe in spirit, soul, and body, but most of all, I believe in mindsets.

 

[Jeremy8419]

I don't believe in 1/16 distributions of the population. I do believe in organization.

How can we know that an INFJ is exactly 1.5% of the population? This is just an assumption (a very close one), based on analysis.

If their fundamentation is the same, then shouldn't the results be equal? INFJ reactions 1% of the population and INFp reactions would also be 1% of the population.

What if the people who tested mbti never tested socionics...(example) ESFJ... then the results would differ in socionics not adding up to mbti population. But, does this make them different? No.
Just means there was a miscalculation.

How could we test everyone? Maybe, based on worldly reactions we could. But, then again, is this their true self? (rhetorical)

I believe there is fundamental truth behind everything.

If their fundamentation is the same, then shouldn't the results be equal? INFJ reactions 1% of the population and INFp reactions would also be 1% of the population.

They aren't the same. Never met anyone with your same first name? Are you both the same person? Or do you disregard the sugar?

I actually disregard levels of psyche. I do believe in spirit, soul, and body, but most of all, I believe in mindsets.

Mindsets change.

 

[Numbly Aware]

They aren't the same.

What makes you think they aren't the same?

Mindsets change.

absolutely

 

[Jeremy8419]

What makes you think they aren't the same?

Because I know the systems lol.

absolutely

So then what are you blabbering about? Lol.

 

[Numbly Aware]

Because I know the systems lol.

OMG, I think I just remembered something... and now I believe....excuse me.
I FUCKING REMEMBER NOW!!!!!!!! shit sorry

So then what are you blabbering about? Lol.

That's classified.

 

[Jeremy8419]

OMG, I think I just remembered something... and now I believe....excuse me.
I FUCKING REMEMBER NOW!!!!!!!! shit sorry

That's classified.

You're silly lol

 

[Numbly Aware]

You're silly lol

Okay, then wouldn't reading the descriptions of each personality help type urself?

I have an idea.
the four groups... aggressors, victims, childlike, parents.
Does this make it easier to type urself?

 

[Jeremy8419]

Okay, then wouldn't reading the descriptions of each personality help type urself?

I have an idea.
the four groups... aggressors, victims, childlike, parents.
Does this make it easier to type urself?

If that's the route you wanna go, you can. However, if going that route, they already did a study showing that J correlates more with j and P correlates more with p, when going by type descriptions.

 

[Numbly Aware]

If that's the route you wanna go, you can. However, if going that route, they already did a study showing that J correlates more with j and P correlates more with p, when going by type descriptions.

I took a socionics test awhile ago and got INFj... the problem with that is, when it comes to romancing styles... I just don't understand the description ( I did relate, but changed my mind) . It's like I fit the victim group better? IDK anymore.
I'm brain dead at this point. Everything I knew.. uh, is down the drain.

How did u know ur socionics type? And do you feel u fit the romancing system?

 

[Forever]

Some use sugar in their Macaroni...
(Don't worry I get your point)
Still, can their behavior be so different to not "connect" an INFp to an INFJ?
I see them similar in their reactions.

I use ketchup. Don't mess with me. (Lol actually I dislike most cheeses so I don't really eat mac and cheese anyway and I do usually put nothing on it, it tastes interesting though)

 

[Numbly Aware]

I use ketchup. Don't mess with me. (Lol actually I dislike most cheeses so I don't really eat mac and cheese anyway and I do usually put nothing on it, it tastes interesting though)

I shall marry you now.

 

[Forever]

I shall marry you now.

 

[Jeremy8419]

I took a socionics test awhile ago and got INFj... the problem with that is, when it comes to romancing styles... I just don't understand the description ( I did relate, but changed my mind) . It's like I fit the victim group better? IDK anymore.
I'm brain dead at this point. Everything I knew.. uh, is down the drain.

How did u know ur socionics type? And do you feel u fit the romancing system?

I fit all the descriptions for EII, yes. At the same time, I recognize that I do all the various types and systems to some degree. Realistically speaking, the average person does them all equally, as relationships require people to be all the romance styles in opposing tandems with their partner as life goes on.

 

[Numbly Aware]

So, ask me Socionics junk and I may be able to answer. Don't ask me to type you or someone, though.

Can enneagram and socionics be similar.. throwing in instinctual variants?