Then you again quoted me on the plants and animals/insects( i am writing a part in capital letter):
"So how can the insects living around us be produced from non-living things? the living beings can only be formed in this way,only if extremely extremely extremely huge number of coincidences take place,creating perfect conditions for each reaction,which is impossible,and so the formation of living beings from lifeless things is also impossible. and even if these extremely huge number of coincidences occur,it will clearly seem that someone is really guiding it,since coincidences occur once,twice or thrice,not usually a thousand times.
even though,let's just agree that the living beings were formed just because of big number of coincidences and no one had guided their formation.
Then in this way due to coincidences,the first cell was formed. And then from this cell new cells started to be produced. And then the newer ones also started reproducing. And thus their number increased.
Now we know that the plants and and animals are interdependent, one cannot live without the other. The plants produce food,carbohydrates and oxygen by using mainly sunlight,water and carbon-dioxide. And the animals can never survive without the carbohydrate and oxygen produced by plants. But in exchange to this,the animals produce carbon-dioxide and without this carbon-dioxide the plants can also never survive. And again the animals/insects carry the POLLENS OF THE FLOWERS of many plants,without which the plants cannot reproduce. And in exchange the animals/insects get nectar and also fruits from the trees that will be produced in the future from these very pollens. Thus they maintain a perfect and complex balance and cooperation which ultimately saves all the organisms,and without which they would have become extinct long ago"
You said(i am writing a part of your statement in capital letter):
Just want to stop you there. PLANTS DON'T NECESSARILY NEED ANIMALS TO SURVIVE. THE VAST MAJORITY OF MODERN PLANTS DO PRODUCE OXYGEN VIA PHOTOSYNTHESIS, AS A WASTE PRODUCT - BUT THEY ALSO CONSUME OXYGEN TO RESPIRE AND PRODUCE CARBON DIOXIDE AS A WASTE PRODUCT (THOUGH ADMITTEDLY, THEY ARE GENERALLY A NET PRODUCER OF OXYGEN). At the time plants arrived (as algae), bacteria were the dominant families (archea/prokaryota), and atmospheric oxygen was extremely rare. The rise of plants would have turned the atmosphere from a reducing to an oxidising one, and kept going. If there were no animals or fungi, and just plants and bacteria, the plants would survive happily in an oxygenated atmosphere and coexist with the bacteria evolved to respire with that oxygen
My answer:
According to you, plants don't necessarily need animals to survive, because they can produce carbon-dioxide themselves from oxygen through respiration.
Now we know that if the plants have to survive, the amount of carbon-dioxide in the air must not increase, nor decrease. Because if carbon-dioxide decreases, plants cannot make proper amounts of food. And if it increases, very soon the temperature of the world will also increase in great amounts. Besides, if it keeps increasing, the amount of oxygen would also keep getting lower and lower. As a result, there will come a time, when they cannot respire required amounts of oxygen. And in either way the plants will have to die.
But according to you plants don't necessarily need animals to survive. That is, if there were no animals, the plants would be able to produce just the required amount of carbon-dioxide and thus keep the amount of carbon-dioxide in the air unchanged and also stop oxygen from increasing(by respiring with oxygen to produce carbon dioxide).
But(according to you) on earth, besides the plants, who produce required amounts of carbon dioxide and keep it's quantity unchanged, there is a huge population of animals and humans, who, according to you, produce extra amounts of carbon dioxide. Since plants are producing the required amount of carbon dioxide by respiring with oxygen, the amount of carbon dioxide produced by humans and the animals is extra. And due to production of extra carbon dioxide by such a huge population of humans and animals, the amount of carbon dioxide should keep increasing in great amounts everyday and soon due to excess amount of carbon dioxide in the air and very low amount of oxygen, the modern plants along with all the higher animals and humans will have to die.
But for thousands and thousands of years, along with the plants, huge populations of humans and animals have produced extra carbon dioxide. By today, all modern animals and plants should have been extinct. But it did not happen. Rather, except abnormal activities(disasters, modern vehicles and machines), till today, there has been no rise of carbon dioxide levels.
So it can be understood that the animals and plants TOGETHER were producing the required amount of carbon dioxide to keep the carbon dioxide levels unchanged. And so, without the animals, the amount of carbon dioxide will soon become very low and thus the plants will eventually die.
So modern plants do need animals to survive. Besides, you did not tell anything about pollens.
Now about humans you quoted me:
" So now,after the cells were formed due to coincidences,they started to evolve on earth. But,coincidentally, as the cells evolved they divided into two main divisions,the plants and the animals(along with insects). Coincidentally, they evolved from the same group of cells in just such a way,that among the two parts,each part balanced the other so that both of them could survive and none would get extinct.
It was as if the cells were cooperating with each other,as if they could talk with each other or communicate and express thoughts and as if one part of them said to the other "we will evolve into the plants who will produce food, carbohydrate and oxygen for you and you will evolve into the animals who will produce carbon-dioxide for us and carry our pollens,so that both of us can survive."
But in reality the cells cannot actually talk with each other,and so,such a perfect cooperation,just because of coincidence does not actually make sense,and so it seems very clearly that someone has guided them for some reason so that they could form a perfect balance,and so that all of them could survive.
But even though let's just agree that the cells coincidentally evolved into perfectly balanced parts,plants and animals,although they cannot talk to each other,and no one had guided them.
But then arrived the human kind, who would be completely unique from every other kind on earth. Who would change and break the rules of nature and rule over every other creature even if they are 500 times stronger then them or even if they fly in the air or swim in the water. They had no notable amount of physical strength or special physical abilities like flying,breathing in water,horns,big teeth,extreme flexibility,extreme speed etc. The only difference they had were a few intellectual differences. They had an extreme level of intelligence and they could speak as efficiently as no other kind could, could express almost every one of their thoughts to the others of their kind, coming up with new ideas and solutions for every problem. Only this kind was intelligent enough so that they could soon be able to build palaces that were million times bigger than them in size,fly in the sky,dive under the sea,unlike any other kind.
Only this kind had the perfect hands that could use a pen to write and draw. No other kind, not even trained monkeys could write or draw so minutely as they could. And without this feature, it was impossible to carry ideas between places that were oceans apart.
Again, they were the only kind that felt ease in walking and standing completely straight, which also gave them the ability to ride on other animals and also on vehicles invented from the ideas of their own minds/brains.
But the humans had another unique uniqueness. We know that the animals,plants,insects and all living beings are interdependent,one cannot survive without the other. If you kill all the plants,all the animals will die due to scarcity of oxygen. Again,if you kill all the deer and bulls,the tigers and the lions would soon be dead due to scarcity of food. And then,due to shortage of carbon-dioxide produced by them,the plants would also die and consequently all the living beings would get extinct. And even if you kill all the tigers and lions,there would arise problems. Very soon the number of deer and bulls would increase to a great extent and it would still not stop increasing. But very soon all the grass would be finished. Because the deer and bulls whose numbers cannot be controlled now, will eat all the grass they can reach. But very soon when the grass ends they will also have to die,because no more food is left for them. And then a huge deficit of carbon-dioxide will take place,since the huge number of carbon-dioxide producers are now gone. And again the plants will also die. And we know what will happen after it. Now you might say that there is no deficit of carbon-dioxide because we humans are producing a lot of it. But actually to meet the demand of the plants,you will have to produce much more carbon-dioxide than before,since a huge population of carbon-dioxide producers is now gone. But actually when you start burning more amounts of fuel for producing carbon-dioxide,there arise two problems. Firstly, our fuel reserve will be finished very fast. But secondly, the main problem is,along with carbon-oxide,we will also produce compounds like nitrous oxide,that cause acid rain. And again,you can say that we can start killing deer and bulls to maintain balance,but actually it is almost impossible. Because the deer cannot be killed in huge numbers without cars,since the deer are very fast, but cars cannot travel through jungles easily. And even if they have entered the jungles,the fuels will soon be finished. And if you wish to kill bulls,you will have to go to very harsh and remote places,with many men and cars,where the fuel of your cars will soon be finished running behind the bulls. So,the main thing is that this idea is a bit absurd. And so we can understand that all living beings, plants, animals, insects, birds, all of them are interdependent, none can survive without the other.
But, the humans were extremely exceptional even in this case. Although they ruled over the other living beings,they were also dependent on them. But unlike every other being,the humans were the only being,on whom no other being depended. We can imagine very well what would happen if all the plants or the deer and the bulls or the tigers or any other species was completely killed. All the other beings along with us would either be destroyed or will face the risk of destruction. But can you imagine what would happen if all the humans are killed? No imbalance would be created in nature,rather it would be saved from imbalance and the other living beings would live even more peacefully. The earth would remain the same as it was even centuries later. No imbalance would be found anywhere. Only the pet animals will face a bit of problem at first(i am joking).
Now the question is,why is there only one kind or species like the human kind? Why did the other kinds like us not survive? Or why were new kinds like us not formed,who would compete with us for ruling the world or for survival? Why is it that on the planet earth,there is only one kind that can think as good as the humans can,and can speak and express their thoughts? Who can write and draw with their hands?Who ride on other animals and vehicles unlike any other? And who depend on all the other beings but no other living being depends on them for survival and would not face extinction due to their extinction(extinction of humans)?"
You answered:
Natural Selection.
Evolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
My answer: I read what you told me to read about evolution. Besides I also collected the definition of natural selection from wikipedia.
Natural selection: Natural selection is the gradual process by which heritable biological traits become either more or less common in a population as a function of the effect of inherited traits on the differential reproductive success of organisms interacting with their environment.(link:
Natural selection - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)
Now I am mentioning the names of a few species of a few animals,
Elephants(it has only 2):
1)Loxodonta africana
2) Elephas maximus
Rhinoceros(it has only 5):
1)Ceratotherium simum
2)Diceros bicornis
3)Dicerorhinus sumatrensis
4)Rhinoceros unicorn is
5)Rhinoceros sondaicus
Cats(tigers and lions also constitute this kind, it has 36 species!):
1) Felis silvestris
2) Panthera tigris
3) Panthera leo
4) Puma concolor
5) Lynx rufus
6) Leopardus pardalis
7) Felis silvestris
Deer(it has 90):
1) Elaphodus cephalophus
2) Muntiacus atherodes
3) Muntiacus muntjak
4) Dama dama
5) Axis axis
6) Rucervus duvaucelii
7) Elaphurus davidianus
Besides, ants have 12000 species, bees have 20000.
But the humans......
In the deserts of the middle east
Or the icy lands of siberia
In the civilized america
Or the uncivilized jungles of africa
In china
Or the moderate india
In every case(environment)
In every place
Only one(species) was left......
The homo sapiens.
But you can find other monospecific genus, genus that have only one species under them. But, even they will be species of animals/insects having other species in different genus(as far as i have seen) which are similar to them. For example, "zyzzyx" is a monospecific genus of wasp and wasp itself has other species in other genus which are similar to it.
Same animal may have different species in different genus. For example, Axis axis and Dama dama, both are species of deer, but with different genus.
Now my question is, if natural selection really had to make us so unique and incomparable, why only us?
So I am saying again the same as I said before,
"But then arrived the human kind, who would be completely unique from every other kind on earth. Who would change and break the rules of nature and rule over every other creature even if they are 500 times stronger then them or even if they fly in the air or swim in the water. They had no notable amount of physical strength or special physical abilities like flying,breathing in water,horns,big teeth,extreme flexibility,extreme speed etc. The only difference they had were a few intellectual differences. They had an extreme level of intelligence and they could speak as efficiently as no other kind could, could express almost every one of their thoughts to the others of their kind, coming up with new ideas and solutions for every problem. Only this kind was intelligent enough so that they could soon be able to build palaces that were million times bigger than them in size,fly in the sky,dive under the sea,unlike any other kind.
Only this kind had the perfect hands that could use a pen to write and draw. No other kind, not even trained monkeys could write or draw so minutely as they could. And without this feature, it was impossible to carry ideas between places that were oceans apart.
Again, they were the only kind that felt ease in walking and standing completely straight, which also gave them the ability to ride on other animals and also on vehicles invented from the ideas of their own minds/brains.
But the humans had another unique uniqueness. We know that the animals,plants,insects and all living beings are interdependent,one cannot survive without the other. If you kill all the plants,all the animals will die due to scarcity of oxygen. Again,if you kill all the deer and bulls,the tigers and the lions would soon be dead due to scarcity of food. And then,due to shortage of carbon-dioxide produced by them,the plants would also die and consequently all the living beings would get extinct. And even if you kill all the tigers and lions,there would arise problems. Very soon the number of deer and bulls would increase to a great extent and it would still not stop increasing. But very soon all the grass would be finished. Because the deer and bulls whose numbers cannot be controlled now, will eat all the grass they can reach. But very soon when the grass ends they will also have to die,because no more food is left for them. And then a huge deficit of carbon-dioxide will take place,since the huge number of carbon-dioxide producers are now gone. And again the plants will also die. And we know what will happen after it. Now you might say that there is no deficit of carbon-dioxide because we humans are producing a lot of it. But actually to meet the demand of the plants,you will have to produce much more carbon-dioxide than before,since a huge population of carbon-dioxide producers is now gone. But actually when you start burning more amounts of fuel for producing carbon-dioxide,there arise two problems. Firstly, our fuel reserve will be finished very fast. But secondly, the main problem is,along with carbon-oxide,we will also produce compounds like nitrous oxide,that cause acid rain. And again,you can say that we can start killing deer and bulls to maintain balance,but actually it is almost impossible. Because the deer cannot be killed in huge numbers without cars,since the deer are very fast, but cars cannot travel through jungles easily. And even if they have entered the jungles,the fuels will soon be finished. And if you wish to kill bulls,you will have to go to very harsh and remote places,with many men and cars,where the fuel of your cars will soon be finished running behind the bulls. So,the main thing is that this idea is a bit absurd. And so we can understand that all living beings, plants, animals, insects, birds, all of them are interdependent, none can survive without the other.
But, the humans were extremely exceptional even in this case. Although they ruled over the other living beings,they were also dependent on them. But unlike every other being,the humans were the only being,on whom no other being depended. We can imagine very well what would happen if all the plants or the deer and the bulls or the tigers or any other species was completely killed. All the other beings along with us would either be destroyed or will face the risk of destruction. But can you imagine what would happen if all the humans are killed? No imbalance would be created in nature,rather it would be saved from imbalance and the other living beings would live even more peacefully. The earth would remain the same as it was even centuries later. No imbalance would be found anywhere. Only the pet animals will face a bit of problem at first(i am joking).
Now the question is,why is there only one kind or species like the human kind? Why did the other kinds like us not survive? Or why were new kinds like us not formed,who would compete with us for ruling the world or for survival? Why is it that on the planet earth,there is only one kind that can think as good as the humans can,and can speak and express their thoughts? Who can write and draw with their hands?Who ride on other animals and vehicles unlike any other? And who depend on all the other beings but no other living being depends on them for survival and would not face extinction due to their extinction(extinction of humans)?
If coincidence was so easy to occur thousands and thousands and thousands of times, that living cells can be formed from lifeless things automatically and coincidentally, and perfect balance could be created among so many species coincidentally,so that all of them could survive, why did coincidentally other beings not be formed or could not survive who would be as unique as the humans? Who would compete with them for ruling the world or for survival? Who would be dependent on all other beings but the others would not be dependent on them? Who would change the rules and break the balance of nature?
This is just an indication and proof that coincidence is not so easy to occur thousands and thousands and thousands of times. Therefore it is clear to me that there was someone who guided every one of these coincidences, in order to create the humans and make them survive,but "in-coincidentally" kept a clear uniqueness in the humans so that it is a clear sign for those who think. So these signs are very clear to me. And so I believe there is someone with complete control and knowledge of everything, who has caused the creation or evolution of the living beings and specially the humans and produced a system so that all of them and specially the humans could survive. That someone must be infinitely powerful, otherwise he could not have done things so precisely. And there must not be anyone or anything similar to him,because I cannot logically imagine a human like me having so much control,power or knowledge.
And this someone,who is behind everything, is GOD."