Help me determine S/N for an EXTP

[Economica]

Okay, so I am trying to type this guy. He's 29 years old and in the process of acquiring a Ph.D. in economics. We've been Facebooking and here are two of his messages, courtesy of Google Translate with some editing and commenting [] by me:

Do not worry, I will give a briefing, when I know something... :-)

Then you can of course test whether [term for the nationality of our advisor] (or [alternative spelling of that nationality] if you like, if you like modern spelling) also briefs you! I see him not as extraordinarily little service-minded - probably more busy and a little preoccupied, as I think professors are supposed to be...

It is fortunate that the cellar-effect will be defeated by the coffee-supply, from which [the coffee place close to our old offices] certainly could learn something! How goes with the thesis - how long will you be trapped in the basement? When you start a Ph.D. you can probably get an office on the second floor... :-D

P.S.: You do not give freebies, huh? :-D This is something-for-something policy which puts pressure on me this Sunday with a hangover... [<-- He asked me a personal question about an event he had seen I was attending and I replied that I'd satisfy his curiosity if he would satisfy mine.]

Your bid was relatively close [I guessed he was an ENTP] - my type was ESTP according to one of the tests (I managed just to make the one, but it could be that the other would give a different bid). What say you to it - I must be able to expect a comment as a reward for my hard work? :-)

Hehe, perfectionism and 8 missing points - it sounds familiar. Something with an essay in [course we took together], perhaps ...? ;-) [<-- I failed to hand in an essay for a course we took together two years ago due to perfectionism. And apparently I haven't learned from that experience, since the same thing has happened with the thesis I'm now writing. ]

We talked about [student aides] today (in connection with that I have used a lot for [my graduate work]) and [our advisor] did say something about that you should be interpreter :-) [<-- I'll be doing some translation work later this year on a project that he's also attached to.]

I only know a little of the official description of the [satirical term for the well-educated, self-satisfied and politically correct segment of society that I said I figure I belong to except for my politics]. My personal interpretation of the concept is not particularly attractive (it is people who are fans of [local soccer club] and go to [their stadium], if and only if it is good weather and [the soccer club] is to win the championship) so it is not a term I prefer thinking of in connection with the people I actually like... :-D

(and now has the sharp, analytical student probably figured out the passion - or vice if you like - that I suffer from...:-))

Are you calling me a geek ???!!? :-D

I find it hard to recognize me as one who "seeks thrilling sensory experiences" - perhaps because I am not quite aware of what is meant (sorry...) However, I do feel relatively application-oriented but on the other hand, I have nothing at all against discussions! :-) On the other hand, I do not see myself as a geek (denial is the first sign...)!

I recall that there were some questions à la "When you make a decision, you A) gather information to clarify the issue B) trust that your unique gut instinct gives you the right answer.

In these questions I have probably answered A, but whether it is because that I have learned through education and work, or whether it is because that I AM such, I could not say (although it may be what you want me to do ;-)). Did I answer A because I am [an economist] - or am I [an economist] because I personally prefer A? The chicken or the egg? The questions are many - few are the answers... :-)

Perhaps I should take the second test and see if it gives the same answer (but why should it not? And if it should, why did you send both? :-)). Until then, feel free to ask more clarifying questions, so you can satisfy your curiosity - although [your thesis buddy] has said that you should stop trying to analyze all the people you meet... ;-)

As for compensation, I have a few hundred questionnaires to be entered... c, ") [<-- Anyone know what that smiley is supposed to signify? ]

Incidentally, it's obviously lost in translation, but his grammar and his spelling are perfect.

[Mort Belfry]

The answer is fries.

[substitute]

From what I can gather, it's saying N to me. But then, the only ESTP's I've ever known have not been great advertisements for type equality... they've all been no-brain peasants that walk round with shaved heads and bare chests in gangs with lager cans in their hands to football matches or else middle aged con men with several failed marriages...

I did know one that was more intelligent and honourable, but I think his wife trained him

The fact that I allow in my mind for these being not typical or that they're not all like that is me trying really hard not to be typist! But anyway your chap here seems more N than S to me.

[mippus]

I'd ENTP him.
Good spelling and grammar don't tell me much in this: SJ's may be great, SP's pragmatic (forgive me this euphemism). Even the ever absent minded INTP can be obsessed with precise language...
The conversationstyle seems ENTP to me (no argumentation, even if it were correct they would challenge it, just for the sake of it)

[Economica]

Thanks, substitute and mippus.

I'm still thinking ENTP too, but I didn't want to dismiss the ESTP test result out of hand. Especially since I'm going about the soccer obsession...

Oh, and can anyone tell me what the closing smiley is supposed to signify?

[Cimarron]

questionnaires to be entered... c, "

If it's a smiley, I guess it's a kind of "twitchy face". The comma is a nose. The pair of quotation marks on our right side is an eye squinted shut. The letter "c" on our left side is an eye bulging out in amazement. Something like that?

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Economica

Oh, and can anyone tell me what the closing smiley is supposed to signify?

It signifies "I have spoken an unpleasant truth to you; please don't be angry."

Your boy is a mature, well-balanced ENTP, in my inexpert judgment. Maturity and balance makes individuals harder to pin down.

[alicia91]

I don't think there's enough here to decide S or N. The entire conversation seems quite Ti to me, but there really isn't much else that stands out. Do you know the person well enough to look at the Interaction Styles - I often find that helpful when trying to decide between close types?

Take a look here at the In-Charge Promotor-Executor (ESTP) versus Get-Things-Going Explorer-Inventor (ENTP).

Interaction Styles

[Economica]

Originally Posted by Cimarron

If it's a smiley, I guess it's a kind of "twitchy face". The comma is a nose. The pair of quotation marks on our right side is an eye squinted shut. The letter "c" on our left side is an eye bulging out in amazement. Something like that?

Cimarron, thanks for trying to make it make sense.

Originally Posted by Oberon

It signifies "I have spoken an unpleasant truth to you; please don't be angry."

I don't get it.

Your boy is a mature, well-balanced ENTP, in my inexpert judgment. Maturity and balance makes individuals harder to pin down.

He comes across as pretty ENTP to me, actually (except for the soccer thing and except that I haven't yet spotted the misanthropic/disillusioned streak that I'm used to finding in ENTPs). I'm thinking his S test result could be due to his having compared himself to the ivory tower INTs he's surrounded by (such as our wildly impractical and delusional INTJ professor who suffers from rampant CC ). Thanks for your input, Oberon.

Originally Posted by alicia91

I don't think there's enough here to decide S or N. The entire conversation seems quite Ti to me, but there really isn't much else that stands out. Do you know the person well enough to look at the Interaction Styles - I often find that helpful when trying to decide between close types?

I don't know him well enough to look at interaction styles, no, but then, interaction styles don't make too much sense to me for the people I do know well, so...

Thanks for your two cents, alicia91. As I said above, I'm wary of dismissing the ESTP test result out of hand, especially since I don't know any highly intelligent ESTPs well enough to compare their vibe with the ENTP one.

[Cimarron]

Originally Posted by Oberon

It signifies "I have spoken an unpleasant truth to you; please don't be angry."

Oh, so that's the implication here. He's telling you something that you probably don't want to hear, but it's important for you to hear it. Example: I know you told me not to touch your watch, but... (c, ") I did and now it's broken.

Keep going on with the main discussion, too. Don't mind me.