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[sassafrassquatch]

So I think I'm an INTJ.

The whole SJ thing is not working out for me. I keep reading that "SJs are thus-and-such" and I think "I'm not that way, gorram it!" So either everything everyone knows about SJs is wrong or I'm not an SJ. My dad is very much the model ISTJ and I am not my dad. The only other type I could be is INTJ. I read through some INTJ descriptions and the big one on INTJ central and they're pretty close. Nothing in them stands out to make me think "Well I'm definitely not that."

Just thought I'd throw that out. Feel free to object, comment or bake me cookies.

[Night]

I could see you as INTJ.

Smart guy; well-informed; seem genuinely interested in exploring the principles beyond immediate context.

Your gun control hypothesis (caliber as the determinant) is a great example of creative interpolation often found inside an N mindset.

INTJ is probably your best bet; as I mentioned earlier, I don't think you'd fit as an INTP.

[Uberfuhrer]

Originally Posted by Night

Smart guy; well-informed; seem genuinely interested in exploring the principles beyond immediate context.

Just remember that N =/= smart or a lack of curiosity. S and N are simply just curious about different things.

INTJs and ISTJs can seem similar on the outside, especially since they extrovert the same auxiliary function. So they are both control-oriented.

I see a lot of Te in Sass -- he's got a very macho wit -- so I don't doubt that he's at the very least an IxTJ.

But Sass, you're right in that you don't seem to have any typical SJ tendencies. Have you looked at the INTJ description at CAPT? (It is, of course, assuming that Ni and Te are working together.)

[Night]

Originally Posted by Uberfuhrer

Just remember that N =/= smart or a lack of curiosity. S and N are simply just curious about different things.

Why Uber - your implication is lewd.

My subtext is gracious, my lad.

[sassafrassquatch]

Originally Posted by Uberfuhrer

Just remember that N =/= smart or a lack of curiosity. S and N are simply just curious about different things.

INTJs and ISTJs can seem similar on the outside, especially since they extrovert the same auxiliary function. So they are both control-oriented.

I see a lot of Te in Sass -- he's got a very macho wit -- so I don't doubt that he's at the very least an IxTJ.

But Sass, you're right in that you don't seem to have any typical SJ tendencies. Have you looked at the INTJ description at CAPT? (It is, of course, assuming that Ni and Te are working together.)

That description also sounds fairly accurate. Another thing is that the things which the Guardians are supposedly guarding are those which I am most distrustful of. I place no value on tradition, groups make me nervous, duty and loyalty to institutions mean nothing to me. Being the salt of the earth, a pillar of the community, whatever it is SJs get off on does not appeal to me at all.

I'm trying to find some good descriptions of Introverted Intuition, they all seem pretty nebulous so far. It's entirely possible that I am a highly atypical ISTJ but don't think it's a good description for me.

[Uberfuhrer]

Originally Posted by sassafrassquatch

I'm trying to find some good descriptions of Introverted Intuition, they all seem pretty nebulous so far. It's entirely possible that I am a highly atypical ISTJ but don't think it's a good description for me.

Jung said of N-dominant types that they're prone to anxieties, phobias, and obsessive-compulsions when neurotic or stressed, while neurotic/stressed S-dominant types tend to give in more to superstitions.

N doesn't necessarily describe one's outlook of the future (whether it's good or bad), but they focus more on the future or unknown while the S type thinks of how to preserve the unforeseeable future, either by enjoying the here-and-now (Se) or by conserving the here-and-now in preparation (Si).

[Jack Flak]

Originally Posted by sassafrassquatch

So I think I'm an INTJ.

The whole SJ thing is not working out for me. I keep reading that "SJs are thus-and-such" and I think "I'm not that way, gorram it!" So either everything everyone knows about SJs is wrong or I'm not an SJ. My dad is very much the model ISTJ and I am not my dad. The only other type I could be is INTJ. I read through some INTJ descriptions and the big one on INTJ central and they're pretty close. Nothing in them stands out to make me think "Well I'm definitely not that."

Just thought I'd throw that out. Feel free to object, comment or bake me cookies.

I doubt you're ISTJ because from what little I've read you seem cool.

[Mondo]

Understanding the Eight Jungian Cognitive Processes / Eight Functions Attitudes

Have you taken this and what are your results?

[sassafrassquatch]

Originally Posted by Mondo

Understanding the Eight Jungian Cognitive Processes / Eight Functions Attitudes

Have you taken this and what are your results?

See here: How strongly do you identify with the SJ/Guardian temperament?

[Mondo]

Your Si and Te are really close and both are really strong.

However, I will also admit that I do not like the Ni questions and can't really say if you are ISTJ or INTJ.
However, I don't think an INTJ would score that high in Si- unless you were deliberately putting "Exactly Like Me" for questions you knew were like Si.

Your Ni is ridiculously low.
You seem like a solid S & T.
One thing I hate about Keirsey is that a lot of the SJ descriptions (conforming to group, harmony over ideas).. these are really traits of XSFJ's NOT XSTJ's. It's a mixture of Fe & Si...

The XSTJ's are as big of conformists as XNFJ's are.. as far as I'm concerned.
Keirsey isn't calling XNFJ's conforming spineless folk now.. is he?